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Re: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution
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Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:08:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   Good sense has prevailed, for now.

What intrigues me is that the rush to amend the Constitution in order to restrict freedom is expressly contrary to the supposed philosophy of true Conservatives, yet so-called Conservatives worked the hardest to enact this change. Interesting.

The proof will be in the pudding. If the Lefties try and challenge the DOMA under the 14th Amendment, then their agenda will be clear, and only a new amendment to the Constitution will protect States’ rights for self-determination.

But that’s a very different issue from Santorum’s holier-than-thou prohibition amendment. The amendment, as proposed, would have stripped individual states of their right to define marriage. If the amendment had forbidden the Federal government from creating a nationwide definition of marriage, then it would have been on much stronger footing, historically speaking.

But don’t you see that that is the crux of the matter. The Left has forced the issue-- now the only solution is an “all or nothing” one. The activists couldn’t just leave well enough alone.

  
   The real perversion is the attempts by the Left to redefine marriage.

Actually, the real perversion is the attempt by the Right to redefine Campaign 2004 as a crusade for the soul of America.

Really now. You know that’s not what it’s about. But I do think it is about protecting the future of America as we know it.

   If we’re really interested in protecting marriage by Constitutional amendment, then why was no mention made of the penalties for heterosexual infidelity or spousal abuse?

Irrelevant.

   Don’t these present a much greater danger to Our Oldest Institution than homosexuals?

Of course not. These have always existed. They are not even in the same ballpark as a destructive result of a total redefinition.

   And it’s not an “apples and oranges” issue; either we intend the amendment to protect marriage, or we do not.

Protect the definition of marriage, not the quality of the institution.

Let me ask you, Dave! If you are against defining marriage as the union of 1 man and 1 woman, how would you specifically define it?

JOHN



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  Re: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution
 
(...) Let's establish henceforth that any time a debater uses "activist judges" as a means to trump an argument, then the debater has forfeited the argument. The Left has *not* forced the issue. One state's judiciary has rightly identified the laws (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: Santorum Fails In His Effort To Pervert The Constitution
 
(...) But that's a very different issue from Santorum's holier-than-thou prohibition amendment. The amendment, as proposed, would have stripped individual states of their right to define marriage. If the amendment had forbidden the Federal (...) (20 years ago, 15-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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