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Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:20:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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2. The Supreme Court, which would likely be dragged into the
adjudication of the election’s results, has been demonstrated
already to be very friendly to Bush re: election results.
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I object to that on the grounds that while Bush was understandably interested
in keeping the vote in his favor, Gore only presented an alternative that was
decidedly biased in his favor (selectively recounting only known pro-Dem
counties in a clear attempt to pump the vote in his favor).
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To be fair to Gore, though, the contested counties were the ones that showed the
irregularities, such as questionable “felon” rosters, questionable butterfly
ballots, questionable voting machines, and generally questionable tactics of
denying the vote to citizens who seemed coincidentally unlikely to vote for
Bush.
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If Gore had asked for a full state-wide recount, I’d sympathize with him
being turned down, but picking and choosing who not to disenfranchise based
solely on which party’s listed on their voter cards would be clear
favoritism (and if he’d asked for a full recount like he should have, maybe
they would have decided in his favor).
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A full recount wasn’t in order, or in any case that wasn’t the issue being
addressed. The issue was that certain precincts were identified to have
suffered from conspicuous glitches and procedural errors, and these were the
counties in which the recounts were requested. If other precincts were not in
question, then it would have been a waste of time and resources to recount them.
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Now, all that being said, I think the best thing for national morale would
have been if they’d decided in Gore’s favor, since he would have still lost
anyways.
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Really? Does that include the numerous and well-documented tactics by which
Republicans, specifically under Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush, worked to skew
the vote tallies in Dubya’s favor? And does it also include the negative 16,000
votes that Florida’s machines plopped on Gore’s
total? What was
Dubya’s margin of victory in Florida? 600 votes? Well, if you correct the
16,000, that changes Dubya’s 600 victory to a 15,400 loss.
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The Dems wouldn’t be able to protest without looking increasingly more
pathetic (wait, that recount didn’t work out in our favor...hey, how about if
we recount ‘em like this!), and the GOP wouldn’t have protested any longer
than it would have taken to show they’d won the selective recount. Both
parties would have walked away with at least a partial victory, and there
wouldn’t be any grounds for whining about favoritism.
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Do I correctly understand you to be claiming that concerns about the subversion
of the Constitution, the theft of the Whitehouse, and the resulting
four-years-worth of destruction of US domestic and foreign policies are
“whining?”
Just curious.
Dave!
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| (...) I thought the issue was that they were unlikely to vote for Buchanan. (...) The issue was that the Democrats were only bringing known pro-Dem areas into question in the first place. Voting errors occur all the time, and Gore's campaign wasn't (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I object to that on the grounds that while Bush was understandably interested in keeping the vote in his favor, Gore only presented an alternative that was decidedly biased in his favor (selectively recounting only known pro-Dem counties in a (...) (20 years ago, 13-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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