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Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
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Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:59:46 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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No, they need to ignore debates based on flawed intelligence.
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They need to know that it’s flawed intelligence before they can choose to ignore
it on that basis. Last I checked the UN doesn’t have a spy department, and SH
was refusing access to their more direct information gathering services, like
UNSCOM.
What they really need to do is define what they intend to do if ignored before
telling someone to obey their rule or face “dire consequences”. If they make
threats like that and fail to follow through, they’ve completely invalidated
their existence.
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Are you saying that mandate was still valid?
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SH was ordered to allow UN inspectors complete access to any area they felt
needed inspecting. He refused. They chose not to enforce it, but they never
repealed it. Yes, that mandate is still valid. It might not have given Bush
Jr. explicit permission to invade, but it did give him the excuse he needed (and
before you say anything about stated motive vs true motive, just remember that
Lincoln did not fight the Civil War because of slavery, but much of the Union
did).
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So Clinton should have done less; not more?
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Yes, and no. He should have done something different. All his missile barrage
did was embolden SH and waste US taxpayer money doing so. Not shooting the
missiles at all would have been a better solution, but it would have been
preferable if he’d actually done something that would force/coerce/trick SH into
complying with the terms of surrender that he’d agreed to at the end of the Gulf
War. There weren’t any questions of the legitimacy of either of his elections,
so he probably already had the popular support necessary to push this situation
as far as necessary to gain compliance. He wasn’t Bush Sr’s son, so SH didn’t
have an automatic mad-on for him (indeed, SH endorsed Gore’s presidential bid).
And he wasn’t a “war-hungry Republican”, so theoretically the UN might have been
less reluctant to step up to the plate if he’d told them to.
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Britain comprises Scotland, England and Wales (i.e. Britain can’t subjugate
Scotland as it is part of it). Scotland is now a willing part of the UK;
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Maybe now, but if they were so willing to rejoin England, please tell me why
it’s still technically illegal to fly their national flag? Or maybe the fact
that they tried to regain their freedom in both 1715 and 1745? How about the
fact that from 1707-1999, Scotland was formally under English rule, with no
parliament of their own?
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Did your SAT test cover geography? ;)
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No, and neither did the various geography courses I’ve taken cover much in the
way of Scottish history, but when a Scottsman marries into your family, you tend
to develop a certain amount of curiosity.
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That did not. But guess what; nobody ever asked them what they wanted.
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Of course not. SH dictated to them what they “wanted”, and Bush Jr’s primary
stated purpose for going into Iraq was to ensure US safety. They may not have
been better off during the waning days of the war (and depending on which of
them you asked, they might not have been worse off either), but now they at
least have hope for the future that they did not before. I just hope for their
sakes that freedom which is handed to you tastes as sweet as freedom that you’ve
had to fight for, so they can hold that in their hearts and resist any and all
attempts to become the next SH.
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) Ummmm scotsman only has one "t" :) And as an aside, it is a commonly held (mis?)conception in Australia (and more than likely elsewhere) that most Americans couldn't point to their home town on a map. But I was disappointed to see a Letterman (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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