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Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
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Thu, 8 Jul 2004 19:59:38 GMT
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"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@ascentialsoftwareDOTcom> wrote in
message news:I0Ju05.zt6@lugnet.com...
These are LMF answers, not my own, which are rather muddier.

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz wrote:

Hmm, how do you define sovereignty? Does it require consent of the • people
and property owners covered by the claim of sovereignty?

Yes, each and every one...

Ok, so an improperly formed sovereignty doesn't have any validity...

Who can make a
claim of sovereignty?

Any group of people, no matter how small, whether territorial or not. At • the
extreme, it must be unanimous consent or else provision must be made to • exclude
the dissenters from the claimed sovereignty. A properly constituted LMF
government must always allow secession by any group that wishes to leave.

Hmm, if I'm accused of a crime, can I secede and thereby escape justice?

Frank



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  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
(...) Dejure. "consent of the governed" and all that... It may defacto have a lot of guns though. (...) Only if you can escape, and your former co citizens (or properly employed police) don't come find you and remand you back into custody. I don't (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: We'll take in your poor, your homeless, your oppressed...
 
These are LMF answers, not my own, which are rather muddier. (...) Yes, each and every one... (...) Any group of people, no matter how small, whether territorial or not. At the extreme, it must be unanimous consent or else provision must be made to (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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