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Re: Question for the Conservatives out there
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 10 Jun 2004 19:04:16 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Thomas Stangl wrote:
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As recently as three generations ago, the nuclear family as a
self-contained unit was newish. I don’t assume that the nuclear family
is the ultimate peak of social development. I also don’t believe that
society is in any meaningful way “built” upon the nuclear family.
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Well, ours is, and so is Western Culture in general.
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Really? Do tell...
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Take a look around. I think you are denying the obvious. What would you
assert the foundation of our society is?
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No one thing!!!
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And....?
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People often pull this “sky is falling” gimick about some
trivial little detail claiming that a change will cause the collapse of
society. If we granted universal marriage rights to homosexuals -- as we
would if we were a decent society worth protecting anyway, it wouldn’t hurt
anything at all.
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How do you know? How do you claim to understand all of the social ramifications
of such a shift? You can’t even cite any historical references because such a
proposition is unprecedented. Forgive me if I pass on your little social
science experiment.
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It wouldn’t erode at the fabric of marriage as a “sacred”
institution.
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Excuse me? It would completely change it!
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It wouldn’t erode at the “foundation” of society.
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With all due respect, you have no idea what you are talking about.
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We would
just be normallizing relations with one of the many groups that are harmed
dramatically and daily by the majority in this country.
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“Harmed dramatically”??? Please! What in the world are you talking about?
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I don’t exactly know what reality you live in anymore, John (if I ever
did), but I’ve got news for you - the Nuclear Family is a 20th C construct,
and it is falling by the wayside. It is anything BUT the norm anymore.
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I didn’t say it was the norm, just the foundation.
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So nuclear families were the norm for sixty of the 1000 years of our
(western) culture’s history and you get to call it the foundation? Do you
hear how dumb that sounds?
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What sounds dumb is the assertion that the nuclear family is a construct dating
back 60 years. The institution of marriage is very old. I’m not sure what
exactly you are talking about.
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I doubt it. Cultures with strong, nuclear families will overtake ones that
don’t. Look at Europe. The Europeans, apparently, are too intellectual or
secular or something to bother with procreating, and they are aging and
f-f-fading away. All that props up their census is imigration and the
procreation of those immigrants (and now for the good news-- those
immigrants are predominantly Muslim). At this rate, Europe will be
dominated by Muslims in 40 short years.
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So we should be procreating as fast as possible to beat them to the finish
line?
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It’s an immigration and border control issue.
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What does govern animal behavior then, Tom? Reason? Ethics? Religion?
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Satisfaction of preference just like ours.
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So you are claiming that animals have emotions? Any proof of that?
JOHN
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Message has 1 Reply:
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| (...) You keep asserting that the nuclear family is the foundation of society. I guess I thought you meant that the nuclear family is the foundation of society. Silly me. (...) It would improve it! (...) I think you left out some of the respect due. (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) No one thing!!! People often pull this "sky is falling" gimick about some trivial little detail claiming that a change will cause the collapse of society. If we granted universal marriage rights to homosexuals -- as we would if we were a (...) (20 years ago, 10-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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