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Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
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Tue, 25 May 2004 09:47:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   As I recall, the death toll from the destruction of the World Trade Center came in somewhere under 3,000, so Dubya is responsible for the unprovoked massacre of a far greater number of innocent civilians than Osama bin Laden.

Incorrect. In fact, the responsibility of those lost Iraqi lives can be attributed to OBL as well. Consider this recent NYT article by Thomas Friedman: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/opinion/23FRIE.html?pagewanted=print&position=

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Only time and the risk of even more spam.

  
Please. The New York Times is considered the most respected and established news source in the US (registration costs nothing).

From its very pages: Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a spokesman for the occupation forces, estimated that there were a total of 3,000 to 5,000 guerrilla fighters in Iraq, with 5 to 10 percent of those coming from outside the country.

Since when did 5 to 10% = “most”?


  
  
  
The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not in.

Like those folks at that wedding?

Won’t dignify that smart-ass remark with a repl.....uh, nevermind.

Bush’s spin: “This is one of the routes we have watched for a long time as a place where foreign fighters and smugglers go.”

The reality:



Bush’s inability to admit fault is further radicalisimg opinion in the region and thus increasing the “threat” to us all.

  
  
   As Friedman says, it is better to address this threat early outside of US borders before it reaches us.

...Bush is increasing the threat; don’t doubt that!

How do you increase a threat as large as the 9-11 attack?


The 9-11(R) attack was not a threat.

   I think Bush overreacted to decrease that threat, if anything.

The main source of concern pre 911 was US support for the Saudi’s and Israel. Bush has made that list much longer! Bush only reacts to the symptoms; not the causes. I can’t think of any real effort he has made to target what drives the “evil doers”. Even Afghanistan is descending into anarchy.

Scott A

  
JOHN



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  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) They are the ones who keep blowing themselves up and wreaking all of the havoc-- exactly what al-qaeda wants (not Iraq) (...) (snipped) Is this where I reply by posting a link to the Nick Berg slaughter? You are being a jerk. (...) So, 9-11 (...) (20 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) Please. The New York Times is considered the most respected and established news source in the US (registration costs nothing). (...) Won't dignify that smart-ass remark with a repl.....uh, nevermind. (...) How do you increase a threat as (...) (20 years ago, 24-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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