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Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
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Mon, 24 May 2004 19:12:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
   In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
   As I recall, the death toll from the destruction of the World Trade Center came in somewhere under 3,000, so Dubya is responsible for the unprovoked massacre of a far greater number of innocent civilians than Osama bin Laden.

Incorrect. In fact, the responsibility of those lost Iraqi lives can be attributed to OBL as well. Consider this recent NYT article by Thomas Friedman: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/23/opinion/23FRIE.html?pagewanted=print&position=

It requires registration. Can you summarize it?

Either way, since there is no valid, pre-existing link between Iraq and al Qaida, and since Dubya used that falsified link as one of the justifications for initiating his war, then al Qaida and bin Laden cannot be used as any justification for Iraqi casualties of the war. Even if al Qaida has taken over the entire Iraqi countryside, they have done so (and have been able to do so) only because of Dubya’s choice to start a war. Therefore, the responsibility ultimately rests on Dubya.

   The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not in.

But we’re not talking about the deaths of foreign insurgents--we’re talking about the deaths of Iraqi civilians that have resulted from the US invasion and occupation of Iraq. To that end, the utter failure of coalition forces to stop insurgent car-bombings is expressly the result and fault of Dubya’s ill-considered, unprovoked, and manufactured war.

   As Friedman says, it is better to address this threat early outside of US borders before it reaches us.

It is up to Dubya to prove (not merely to imply or suggest or provide evidence for, but to PROVE) that Iraq posed a threat to the US within US borders. Everything else in this fabricated war is subordinate to that proof; until Dubya provides it, then he is guilty of mass murder.

Dave!



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  Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
 
(...) Incorrect. In fact, the responsibility of those lost Iraqi lives can be attributed to OBL as well. Consider this recent NYT article by Thomas Friedman: (URL) The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not in. As Friedman (...) (20 years ago, 24-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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