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Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 15 Sep 2003 20:49:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys wrote:
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A guns only inherent purpose is to shoot bullets at something.
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But a gun’s purpose isn’t interently to shoot a person; that’s an
inferential purpose.
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Hence I didn’t say that the inherent purpose of a gun is to shoot someone.
However, the ‘usual’ purpose of a gun *user* is to shoot at someone, either
in an act of “defense” or in an act of crime. Maybe to scare, maybe to
intimidate, and maybe to kill or maim.
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Okay, but now we’re back to “guns don’t kill people; people kill people.”
If you wish to condemn guns based on their “intent,” then you can’t simply
abandon that argument in favor of the user’s “‘usual’ purpose.” You seem to be
claiming simultaneously that guns are bad because they’re intended to shoot
someont, but the inherent purpose of a gun isn’t to shoot someone. Which is it?
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And then there’s Mike who speaks of people better
be ready for ‘lead in the brain’. What kind of society talks like that?
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Well, I can’t speak for the overzealousness of my fellow Americans, but I’d say
again that a call for a ban on guns really misses the point. As has been
demonstrated previously, your fine nation has a huge gun:home ratio, but,
despite this fact, Canada has nothing at all like the hideous incidence of gun
violence.
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It is the case--if you lessen the number of guns, you lessen the incidents
with guns. And if you get rid of them all, well that would take a total
change in mindset...
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That’s two separate arguments, but I agree that a change in mindset would be
remarkably helpful.
The problem remains that you’re drawing a direct correlation between number of
guns and number of incidents, by which you’re assuming that a reduction in
gun-count will yield a corresponding reduction in gun-crimes. But that only
works if you eliminate exactly the guns that would otherwise have been involved
in gun-crime, and there’s no way to know that.
Dave!
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| (...) I was cutting the other side some slack with my 'diplomatic wording'. It's called being nice to the other side. It is my personal contention that a gun's main purpose is to kill/main someone else in front of the gun, and I have as yet to be (...) (21 years ago, 16-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) Hence I didn't say that the inherent purpose of a gun is to shoot someone. However, the 'usual' purpose of a gun *user* is to shoot at someone, either in an act of "defense" or in an act of crime. Maybe to scare, maybe to intimidate, and maybe (...) (21 years ago, 15-Sep-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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