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Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
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Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:40:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:

You see my problem is that science has yet to answer 'Why' anything happens.
There are lots of good theories on how things happen but not one single answer
as to why.

  Mike--are looking for a metaphysical, over-arching "reason" behind the
universe?  What if there simply isn't one?  Science isn't in the business of
determining "why" things happen in this transcendent sense, nor should science
be required to do so.  That would be analogous to asking "by what chemical
process does the eucharist become the Body of Christ?"  The question, in that
sense, isn't relevant.
  Some people aren't content to except that things may just happen without a
metaphysical "reason" behind them.  By extension, that's similar to how some
people claim "The reason 'why' I didn't take the bus is because I had a feeling
it would be in an accident."  Such people are not content to say "I didn't take
the bus today *AND* the bus was in an accident;" they seem to need to attribute
a karmic (so to speak) cause to it.
  On the other hand, science does address *why* things happen in a more
mundane, causative way, such as: "Why does electrolysis of water yield two
parts hydrogen and one part water?  Because a water molecule contains two
hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom."   But there's no supposition of
metaphysical cause.

I really don't see how
that will be any more effective than the Taoist approach of meditating in
search of perfect enlightenment. (Science still hasn't worked.)

  Your parenthetical comment eludes me:  science "hasn't worked" in what
context?  Also, you're comparing an introspective and fundamentally personal
meditative system to a system of teamwork, re-examination, and data-sharing.
The two are not comparable in any real sense; one is a belief system, the other
is a method of analysis.

The faith that
science holds all the answers seems as silly to me

  It likewise seems silly to me, especially since it's not a matter of faith
but of evidence and reproducibility.  To assert otherwise is to create a straw
man that doesn't pertain to the argument at hand.

I also happen to believe that limiting oneself to accept only that which is
tangible will prevent Humans from further evolving and learning 'Why'.

  Let me ask you this:  Why does God allow innocent babies to starve to death?
Unless you can give me the answer to that question (or many other similar
questions), then you can take comfort only in the *hope* that a reason
exists, even if we have no way to know it. Other than by the introduction of a
metaphysical being, how does that assessment superior to the view that the
universe simply exists without need of a reason why?

     Dave!



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  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: I would like to offer a formal apology to ot.debate and to Maggie C. in particular for this line: (...) Except! What am I, the product of home-schooling?!? [1] Dave! [1] Actually, home-schooling has (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
(...) answer (...) feeling (...) How do we know there isn't one? (...) But that does not explain 'why' it happens, only how. And know you don't need to explain the details of electron bonds and such, I know the theory and have seen it work (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community
 
(...) That would be analogous to asking "by what chemical (...) If we were to look at it from an opposing angle--how is the assessment that there *is* a God "behind the scenes" inferior to the view that the universe is there all by itself? Science (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community)
 
(...) Indeed. (...) You see my problem is that science has yet to answer 'Why' anything happens. There are lots of good theories on how things happen but not one single answer as to why. It is my observation that people believe by analyzing things (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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