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Re: IGNORANT views fuel oppression?
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Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:32:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > >
> > > > I propose this resolution in the hopes that other debates will occur without
> > > > the overriding Israel/Palestine debate war which often takes over this
> > > > channel when it appears.
> > >
> > > Why is that a bad thing given the amount of disinformation that surrounds this
> > > issue?
> > >
> > > Scott A
> >
> > If the sides of an issue get so polarized (there, I got to use it!) that all
> > there is left is "I'm right, you're wrong!" "No, I'm right and you're
> > wrong!", there is nothing left but to end the thread.
>
> I don't agree with that overview.
Well, here we are, sitting at 171 posts in this thread. I'll be the first
to note that not all 171 posts directly relate to the P/I issue, but 171
posts...
How would you sum up the current state of the P/I debate here in OT-D, where
the sides are concerned? Where do the sides stand? Who's right--who's
wrong? It's like the actual issue itself--it doesn't matter--when it's this
old, both sides *should* just stop it all together--we're both wrong.
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> >
> > I think it's a far better solution to end the debate on the issue than
> > ignoring an individual across all debates. This allows other debates to
> > take place unfettered.
> >
> > For me, it doesn't matter about your perceived 'disinformation'--you made
> > your points, others negated those points in their mind, just as you negated
> > their points to your satisfaction, but no theirs. Rehashing the points over
> > and over again after that doesn't do a wee bit of good for *anyone* concerned.
> >
> > In the final analysis, in the end, cut to the bottom of the page, where are
> > we left after that? Proposing to ignore an individual carte blanc because
> > we don't like him or her dwelling on this one topic? Well, it's a solution,
> > but, imho, a better solution is to step beyond the conversation.
> >
> > Not to bring my Christian values into play (not that this value is
> > specifically a Christian one, but there you are), but avoid the sin, not the
> > sinner.
> >
> > All in my personal judgement.
> >
> > You may feel that you have a point to make
> > You may feel that the 'other side' doesn't get it
> > You may feel that if you post 'just one more time' that you will get thru to
> > them
> > But when we're at the point of selectively banning people via 'ignore', then
> > mayhaps you may wish to rethink posting--not your opinion, your point, or
> > your values--just your posting of said stuff to the debate group.
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> David,
> I have no problem with people ignoring me, or even users urging others to
> ignore me. However, I suggest you think wider than the Israel thing. Take a
> closer look at what is causing the "fuss" here.
>
> Perhaps I’m being paranoid, but I get the feeling that some people want to
> attack me when they think thay sense weakness and then “ignore” me when they
> don’t. Am I being paranoid?
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> BTW: I made the JC post yesterday fully expecting *not* to get a reply. I blame
> this mess on you ;)
>
> Scott A
I blame me as well.
Paranoia is not something I subscribe to about anything--there is no 'they'
and 'they' aren't out to get me. I sleep quite well at night thankyouverymuch.
What are your views about the "fuss"? Perception is the truth we have to
work with here in a newsgroup--how do you perceive what's going on? You
think that others are ignoring you because you believe your point is strong,
and only attack when your point is weak?
Mayhaps these 'others' believe it's 'oh no, here he goes again down that
same old well-trodden road--he's saying nothing new--we didn't believe him
the first time, why would we change our POV now?' and it really has nothing
to do with weakness or strength in the actual arguement--it's just, as many
folks have posted 'asked and answered' to their satisfaction.
But that's all just my perception.
Dave K
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| (...) Many people have polarised views on this issue. They see it in rather simplistic “Bushian” terms; good versus evil or even jews versus muslims. The most commonly asserted views here are that Israel or [very much less commonly] the Palestinians (...) (22 years ago, 13-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I don't agree with that overview. (...) David, I have no problem with people ignoring me, or even users urging others to ignore me. However, I suggest you think wider than the Israel thing. Take a closer look at what is causing the "fuss" (...) (22 years ago, 12-Dec-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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