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Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
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Wed, 25 Aug 1999 04:59:48 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, "Jesse Long" <jesse.r.long@gte.net> writes:

Leviticus 18: (abridged version) You may not have sex with any blood
relative--father, mother, father's wife, sister (father's daughter, mother's
daughter), granddaughter (son's daughter, daughter's daughter), half-sister
(father's wife's daughter, born to your father), aunt (father's sister,
mother's sister, father's brother's wife), uncle (father's brother),
daughter-in-law (son's wife), sister-in-law (brother's wife)--or a woman
*and* her daughter or granddaughter, a woman and her sister while the first
is alive, a woman during her period, your neighbor's wife, another man, or
an animal.

Hmm.  Does a clone of yourself count as a blood relative?

And would that fall under incest or homosexuality?

How about an opposite-sex clone?  (If there is such a thing.  I'm sure there
will be someday!)

Do human clones have souls?  Or only those humans which have been conceived
"naturally"?


Specifically, verse 22 reads: "You shall not lie with a male as
one lies with a female; it is an abomination."

It's tough to read that one wrong.  [...]

I think it's pretty easy to "read that one wrong."  There's a LOT of stuff
wrong with that sentence!

First, the word "lie" (as in lying down) is the past tense of the word "lay"
(to lay).  "Lie" itself is not a present-tense verb in that sense.  So it
should really say, "You shall not lay with a male as one lays with a
female..."

Second, the antecedent of the word "it" is ambiguous -- is it the female or
the male or the act of lying with a female or the act of lying with a male
that is an abomination?  It's not 100% clear -- it's left up to the
interpretation of the reader.

Anyway, as written, what it SAYS is that a guy isn't supposed to lie (as in
untrue statements) to his male buddies as he lies to females.  "No, that's
not lipstick on my collar, honest -- and I wasn't out smoking cigars and
drinking Mezcal all night either, honest!"

--Todd

p.s.  Even if "lie" were corrected to say "lay," maybe it still only means
that if you lay with a male, you should make sure to lay a different way
than you lay with a female.



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  Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
 
Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:37c37276.223080...net.com... [snip clone stuff] I have no clue. I think successfully cloning a human would send metaphysical shockwaves all over the place. the only good places to draw a solid (...) (25 years ago, 25-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
 
(...) Whoa -- cool! Great example! OK, so if fraternal twins have two souls right from the start, then how about identical twins? Does an embryo or a zygote which is destined to become a pair of identical twins have two souls to begin with -- one (...) (25 years ago, 25-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
 
(...) Straw man alert. Who is? You may be pretty sure that your book has all the answers, and you may be prepared to abide by whatever it says, no matter whether it makes sense or not, but that, in and of itself doesn't make you a moron, I don't (...) (25 years ago, 25-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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Simon Robinson <simon@simonrobinson.com> wrote in message news:FGz2xu.8B9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) things (...) strict (...) by (...) Okay. But before I start I have to say that "scholars" have been able to make the Bible say whatever they want (...) (25 years ago, 25-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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