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Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:01:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.geek, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > Things aren't clear cut either way on the religious/secular debate. Shame
> > in most of these debates, so many people on BOTH sides make statements
> > without thinking through the consequences of what they are saying, and/or
> > argue by putting up straw men[B] (This debate has been more sensible than
> > some I've seen, but even so, from what I've read I'd say Larry and John N
> > are both guilty on both counts) (Sorry guys! <grin>)
>
> Feel free to call me on those, as I've said, to be an atheist is
> difficult. It requires deep thought!... and I'm a big advocate of
> accepting the consequences for your actions or statements. Further, I
> certainly don't intend to erect straw men. The real thing is flimsy
> enough.
At the risk of me being accused of saying something then not following through,
I'm not sure there's too much point me trawling through back messages to pick
logical flaws in what was said - especially as I think you and John N both
picked
each other up quite a bit. I should emphasize anyway there are a lot of good
points
being made here by everyone.
However, what I would want to do is challenge what I see as the current
weaknesses
in what everyone is saying. I've paraphrased a bit so apologies if I've
misunderstood anyone:
Larry> Answer John N's (I think it was John's) charge that what you are saying
gives you no reason to do anything good. I remember a few postings on
lugnet where you've reminded us how much you like giving to charity and
being nice to other people. I think that's great, but why do you do it? If
there
is no God etc. then what is the purpose of doing anything? Why make any effort
to help others?
John N> Answer Larry's charge that you are being inconsistent.
You said that the story of Job didn't really happen.
If - as I assume you
do - you believe the Bible is the word of God, then how can you justify
believing
bits of it but not other bits?
Jesse> It seems quite plausible to me that there is a God of love and that
God wants us to love each other etc., but that that God did *NOT* write the
Bible. Your last
posting seemed to imply that any belief in God requires you to reject things
like homosexuality, (presumably because that's what you get out of a strict
interpretation of the Bible - an interpretation which has been challenged by
scholars).
Perhaps you'd like to explain the link.
Simon
http://www.SimonRobinson.com
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