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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:40:10 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > I singularly hate the clossosal arrogance of those that believe God has
> > singled out any nation as most blessed or most (self-) righteous. I don't
> > care who says it: England, Japan, America, France, Israel, Iran, etc.
> > Confusing arrogance with patriotism gives patriotism a bad name (there is
> > always the implication that if you have a problem with the "under God", you
> > must not be patriotic).
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> Sounds pretty bigotted. Why not just say they are wrong or misguided?
Since I include any culture, it would seem not to be bigoted, beyond I am
bigotted against bigotted people. And since the religious ethno-centricism
is usally used to exploit/murder/steal from someone else not so "blessed",
"wrong" and "misguided" are misleadingly tame labels. Or do you subscribe
the Japanese claim that they "advanced" (wrong, misguided) into Nanking
during WWII, or "raped" Nanking (murder/theft) such as the rest of the world
believes?
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> > > How many senators last year on 9-11 sang along with "God Bless America" who
> > > were atheists? A lot. Why? Because it was the patriotic thing (if not
> > > politically wise) to do.
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> > Under the circumstances, the national anthem would have been more
> > appropriate by far.
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> Disagree. I'll bet you 99 out of 100 people would disagee with you.
Bet accepted! 10 minifigs an acceptable number?
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> > > And let's face it. This whole hubbub is politics. Michael Newdow has
> > > issues. There's no tyranny or persecution going on-- if anything I'd say
> > > that Christianity itself is being persecuted.
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> > Inasmuch as Christianity is attempting to inflict itself on everyone (they
> > couldn't stand that the pledge of allegiance didn't reference God, as just
> > one example, and had to change it), I think it is the other way around.
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> Christianity has been intimately involved with this nation since its inception.
> The inflicting is being done by the secular left.
I gave you an example (POA). I see no refutation, just an empty, unbacked
claim.
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> > > So I say to atheists-- let the misguided be. It's all a bunch of hooey
> > > anyway; why let it bother you? Think of it as Nationalism (which I believe
> > > much of it is), or is it with Nationalism that you all have a problem?
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> > I have a problem with defining Nationalism only in religious terms.
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> > > I'm just afraid that if atheists like Newdow keep pressing these issues,
> > > there is going to be a nasty backlash that nobody wants to see.
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> > No, because Christians kept pressing their agenda, you are seeing the
> > backlash *now*.
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> We seem to disagree as to which way the wind is blowing. The backlash is
> against liberalism-- America is most definitely moving to the *right*.
The *people* of the United States rejected George Bush, if you will recall.
Bruce
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