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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:34:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > I singularly hate the clossosal arrogance of those that believe God has
> > singled out any nation as most blessed or most (self-) righteous. I don't
> > care who says it: England, Japan, America, France, Israel, Iran, etc.
> > Confusing arrogance with patriotism gives patriotism a bad name (there is
> > always the implication that if you have a problem with the "under God", you
> > must not be patriotic).
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> Sounds pretty bigotted. Why not just say they are wrong or misguided?
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> > > How many senators last year on 9-11 sang along with "God Bless America" who
> > > were atheists? A lot. Why? Because it was the patriotic thing (if not
> > > politically wise) to do.
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> > Under the circumstances, the national anthem would have been more
> > appropriate by far.
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> Disagree. I'll bet you 99 out of 100 people would disagee with you.
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> > > And let's face it. This whole hubbub is politics. Michael Newdow has
> > > issues. There's no tyranny or persecution going on-- if anything I'd say
> > > that Christianity itself is being persecuted.
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> > Inasmuch as Christianity is attempting to inflict itself on everyone (they
> > couldn't stand that the pledge of allegiance didn't reference God, as just
> > one example, and had to change it), I think it is the other way around.
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> Christianity has been intimately involved with this nation since its inception.
> The inflicting is being done by the secular left.
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> > > So I say to atheists-- let the misguided be. It's all a bunch of hooey
> > > anyway; why let it bother you? Think of it as Nationalism (which I believe
> > > much of it is), or is it with Nationalism that you all have a problem?
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> > I have a problem with defining Nationalism only in religious terms.
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> > > I'm just afraid that if atheists like Newdow keep pressing these issues,
> > > there is going to be a nasty backlash that nobody wants to see.
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> > No, because Christians kept pressing their agenda, you are seeing the
> > backlash *now*.
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> We seem to disagree as to which way the wind is blowing. The backlash is
> against liberalism-- America is most definitely moving to the *right*.
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> -John
America is not most definitly moving willingly to the right--it's being
*forced* to the right by the 'chicken littles'--"Oh no! The sky is falling!
Remember the good ol' days when kids didn't kill one another in school, when
planes weren't flying into buildings, when minorities weren't rioting and
burning houses and streets--when we all got along as one nation 'under God'"
Well, Rose coloured glasses aside--every age had its issues--I'm pretty much
extremely happy I wasn't alive during McCarthiesm--trouncing on people's
civil liberties for what they said or personally believed, incarcerated
indefinitly for no just cause, for neighbours spying and snitching on
neighbours--oh wait--look at these new laws being forced thru... nevermind.
Once again (besides our PM at this moment),
TGIC :)
Dave K.
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