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Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
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Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:14:30 GMT
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On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 06:13:27PM +0000, John wrote:
> > "Every morning John Neal must publicly declare that God does not exist."
> > you wouldn't say "that's okay, since they're not endorsing any religion, nor
> > are they explicitly forbidding any religion." Yet that statement is exactly
> > analogous to requiring an atheist to say "under God." If you think
> > otherwise, please explain the difference.
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> First, there is no "requirement". The state will not force you to speak those
> words (in fact it *allows* you to *not* speak them). A perfect analogy would
> be if Congress passed that same law but then included, "But if he feels
> uncomfortable saying it, he doesn't have to".
but wouldn't that fact that the state "asked" that you say the words bad
enough? I will have to say the pledge of allegance when I become a
naturalized citizen. Do you think I won't say "under god", when the INS
officer asks me to? Of course I will. Do you think it won't bother me
though?
If the state can "allow" me not to speak the words (as you said above)
then it's "asking" me to speak them. And that's an endorsement of
religion.
Dan
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| (...) I believe that one can acknowledge God without endorsing any particular religion. The fact is that the vast majority of Americans believe that we are a country under God. The religious background of those same Americans is wildly different. (...) (22 years ago, 12-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) First, there is no "requirement". The state will not force you to speak those words (in fact it *allows* you to *not* speak them). A perfect analogy would be if Congress passed that same law but then included, "But if he feels uncomfortable (...) (22 years ago, 11-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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