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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> I agree. I would further ask John how he would demonstrate to someone
> permanently locked indoors that wind exists.
Feed him beans and cabbage...oh, sorry, not that type of wind. I'll just be
moving along, then....
>
> > > It can't see it, it can't feel it, it can't taste it,
> >
> > Uh...sure it can. I can see, feel, and taste water (and air, for that matter)
> > so why couldn't the fish? Actually, I'm rusty on my ichthyology, can they
> > taste or just smell?
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> I had salmon last night--it tasted great and smelled great. Does that
> help? 8^)
I have a dog with no nose.
How does he smell?
Terrible!
(rimshot)
>
> > > Again, I can read the last chapter in a book and know whats going to happen.
> > > The characters in the book don't have a clue. Does that deny their free
> > > will to do as they please in the book?
> >
> > Do you hear yourself? I mean really! You just asserted that characters in
> > books have free will. That was some kind of a slip up right?
>
> For those playing along at home, Dave K has just rolled out some rehashed
> C. S. Lewis. Lewis, while an entertaining read, should hardly be taken as
> logically infallible; witness the above "author-in-the-book" metaphor and
> the oft-touted "liar/lunatic/lord" false trichotomy.
It is possible that time is an illusion, or that the universe comes down to
a few lines of code. In either case, we may well be a character in a book
who's life can be read forward, backwards, and peeked at. Plays hell with
free will, but science never cares about your personal feelings.
> > > The laws of God are 'written
> > > on our hearts'. It might be all touchy feely but it's there. You know when
> > > you're doing something wrong--you don't need the police to tell you
> > > that--you feel it. And none of that has anything to do with science.
>
> This is witnessing and irrelevant to discussions of science.
Every time I point out that something is an emotional argument, the
discussion string comes to a halt and easier targets are taken up.
Bruce
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