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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes:
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> > > What makes the body happy in turn, I think, would also make the soul happy,
> > > and vice versa. Christianity is not about denying the body in favour of the
> > > soul. Whoever is spouting that brand of whatever hasn't understood the
> > > simple and undeniable idea that God created the body, with all it's ability
> > > to experience pleasure. Where's the problem in experienceing joy, love,
> > > happiness, sensualness, whatever. Where in my Bible does it say to deny
> > > these things?
> >
> > OK, so when Moses (or God, depending on what you believe) tells us not to • covet
> > the neighbor's wife, what do you believe you shouldn't do? Is it a sin to • nail
> > your neighbor's wife? What if she wants you to? What if her husband does • too?
> >
> > There seems to be no lee-way in the commandments.
> >
> > Chris
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> Here's a thought--with freedom comes responsibility.
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> Stop twisting and making irrelevant points--that point you made has nothing
> to do with my idea, which is the non-separation of body and soul. Nowhere
> in the 10 commandments does it command 'Thou shalt not derive physical
> pleasure'. What they do say is to do things in a responsible manner, or
> that which could be summed up into a golden rule 'do unto others...'
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> Nailing your neighbours wife is not morally right, even if you, your
> neighbours wife and your neighbours wife's husband think it's okay.
Pishtosh. If all involved have no problem with it, then there is nothing
immoral about it. Marriage is what you make of it, not some hard-coded
morality.
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> You, however, can nail your own wife, and both of you can derive physical
> pleasure from it, and you'd both be okay in God's eyes. Your souls would
> probably also benefit from a good and healthy sex life, but again, that's
> the point.
>
> There are moral absolutes, no matter what post modernity tells us. If you
> wanna discuss that, it's a whole different topic.
While I do believe somewhat in moral absolutes, I don't think there are
*sexual* moral absolutes, except where they only hold to non-adult,
non-consensual behavior. If all are adults, and all are engaging in fully
consensual acts, you calling them immoral is pure pap.
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