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John wrote:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > I want to start by acknowledging a significant resistance to the idea that an
> > ultimate creator exists at all. That would certainly color my acceptance of
> > evidence. I'm only saying this so that you don't feel the need to point it
> > out. But I also believe that I'm open to taking in any reality that turns
> > out to be actual. So...
>
> Okay, that's interesting to me that you would acknowledge a resistance the idea
> of the existence of a Creator. Taken all the way to the beginning, one needs
> to agree on *some* starting point. Either you believe it all just started from
> nothing, or a Creator (whose origin is inexplicable) started it all. Seems to
> me that both require the same leap of faith, and are equal. You just choose;
> neither one is any more plausible than the other. Both by definition are the
> starting point to me.
You are defining an incorrect starting point then.
Who/what created the Creator?
A correct starting point for the Creator view would be when/how the Creator came to
be. Otherwise, you are STILL left with the question of "how did it all begin"?
IOW, your starting point requires a larger leap of faith than a non-Creator view,
which is why some of us don't find it as logical as you do.
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Tom Stangl
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