Debate : 16780


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Subject:	Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Sat, 29 Jun 2002 04:32:36 GMT
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John wrote: > > Inserting "under god" into official statements or worse, into things that > > people have to *affirm to be citizens* (all new citizens are required to > > recite the pledge and I know of no provision for omitting words as the > > reciter so chooses), is *intolerance*. It is intolerance of a belief system > > or world view that does no harm to others in and of itself, and that I > > cannot tolerate. > > "Under God" isn't intolerate. It may discriminate, but not it's not > intolerate. And so what if a person wants to become a citizen of this country > and is required to cite "under God". Nobody is forcing them to become a > citizen. Nobody is even forcing them to believe in a God that this nation is > supposedly (to them) under! You'd better elaborate on this, John, because the above statement makes you sound like a truly disgusting person without further expansion. It makes you sound like you're saying "if they don't say "under God", they shouldn't become citizens? Or they should lie as their first official statemement as a citizen if they don't believe in God or any supreme being? What a repugnant thought. Are you really that much of a bigot? > We are the greatest nation to have ever existed. So if it ain't broke, why > fix it? It is broke, it was broken in 1954, and people are trying to fix it. Why can't you get that? Is it really that hard for you to understand such an extremely simple point? -- Tom Stangl ***http://www.vfaq.com/ ***DSM Visual FAQ home ***http://ba.dsm.org/ ***SF Bay Area DSMs

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) What are you talking about??? Do you know what the oath naturalized citizens must take says? "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Yes. I am trying to explain the use of such language as "the Creator" from our very first document as a nation which. Is that offensive to atheists? Why not? Should it be changed? Why not? (...) Well, that's my point. I think the FFs did (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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