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Re: An armed society...
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Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:25:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > >
> > > > I would suggest bringing a gun into his own home is no solution.
> > > > Statistically, who is he most likely to shoot with the gun?
> > >
> > > /objective mode on
> > >
> > > Well ignoring the propaganda on both sides of the Gun Control issue, and • using
> > > indepentant statistics from Gallup Polls.
> > >
> > > This is all applicable to the USA.
> > > Roughly 10,000 crimes a year are committed with legally obtained guns. (It is
> > > almost 10 times that for illegally obtained guns.) Roughly 2,000,000 crimes a
> > > year are prevented by armed citizens.
> >
> > How many are prevented by unarmed citizens?
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> Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying.
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> > How many times are guns used as a threat when there is no need?
> > Does that count as a prevented crime?
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> Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they
> are criminals.
> >
> > > Statistically the easier it is to
> > > legally obtain a gun in an area the lower the crime rate.
> >
> > That is because statistically legal gun owners are white middle income
> > americans living in low crime areas.
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> All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally obtian
> a gun the crime rate is lower. This hold true in all econmic and social
> classes.
Err. I live in a "middle income" area - crime is very low, and nobody has guns.
Can this be explained?
Scott A
> >
> > >
> > > /objective mode off
> > >
> > > Gun Control has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
> > > A politicain can never take away the peoples rights, so long as the people • have
> > > the ability to shoot him for trying.
> >
> > Tell that to the guys in Guantanamo Bay. Tell that to those held without
> > charge in US jails.
>
> The fact that there was no public uprising may be the biggest sign that the
> Totalatarin factions in the US are winning the social War.
> >
> > I shall ask again : "I would suggest bringing a gun into his own home is no
> > solution. Statistically, who is he most likely to shoot with the gun?"
>
> No one. 99% of gun owners never have to fire their gun. The threat of force
> is usually sufficent. The media is controlled by a small group of liberals.
> You only ever see the news that will benifit that position. The fact that
> dozens of successful home defence senerios play out for every unsuccessful
> senerio is often overlooked or ignored as a result.
>
> This is not limited to just Gun Control issues either. For example about 2
> years ago a Homosexual was beaten to death by two "religous extremists." This
> was all over the media on the front pages of newspapers and the big story on
> the TV news. At almost the same time 2 Homosexuals lured a 12 year old boy
> into their house, raped, and murdered him. This was down played to the point
> where it was a small story at the back of the paper and had barely any mention
> at all on the TV news. It was as if they were trying to pretend it never
> happened.
>
> Idealism is a great concept that will never work in the real world. It relies
> on ignoring half of the facts. Social Engineering and welfare were supposed to
> eliminate poverty. For those that WANT better for themselves it has worked
> perfectly. It has also created a generation of lazy moochers. Some of my own
> relatives are like this and it angers me quite considerably.
>
> -Mike Petrucelli. (who digressed a bit)
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| (...) Ummm, how do you know that? Have you asked everyone? Regardless, I also live in a middle class area with low crime, and would postulate the ownership of guns is also fairly low (seeing it's pretty hard to convince our PM of the need to own (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) using (...) Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying. (...) Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they are criminals. (...) All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally (...) (23 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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