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Re: An armed society...(what if?)
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Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:24:01 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Kirby Warden writes:
> With every gun debate I see/read, it seems to me more people would rather
> live unarmed. I seems likely to me that, within my lifetime, guns will be
> outlawed from private citizens.
What does it mean to "live unarmed?" I'd wager that living
armed can vary--if you have a handgun locked away somewhere
in the home, that's very different from "packing" 24/7/365.
I'd bet that the vast majority--more than 95%--of gun owners
fit in the former category.
> Why do I think this likely? Because I just don't see enough people who are
> willing to stand up and defend their rights and the rights of others.
Maybe that's because most of us don't see those rights as being
under assault? This, even though we do understand those rights
just as fully and completely as you do?
> Not too long ago I saw a video about several *conspiracies*. Mentioned was
> the seizure of properties (as highlighted in drug enforcement laws). Here
> are a few cases that were noted...
I'd like a citation. Name of the video, company that distributed,
et cetera. Just because it's on film doesn't mean it's true. Video
is an amazingly effective propaganda tool, because it doesn't have
room for full citations or retracing of research, and hey, I SAW IT,
AND VIDEO DOESN'T LIE.
And isn't it also possible that these people aren't telling the whole
truth about what they were doing and the grounds of the forfeiture?
People often go looking for principles that will defend them and ways
to bend the truth when they want to secure a favorable outcome--even
if that means testifying to said same on film (though not under oath).
One of my biggest problems with lots of Americans these days is an
inability to think critically, which I think is a very serious problem.
> <snip>
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> Apparently all three cases are perfectly legal. More frightening still is
> the lack of public scrutiny. Worse, if Joe Patriot speaks up, he may be
> branded a conspiracy nut-crack. And while Joe Patriot may have some vocal
> support, he will likely stand alone as no one else seems to think there is a
> problem worth getting worked up over.
Because there may, in fact, be no real problem--only an anomaly.
Sure, it's a problem for the principals (not "principles") involved,
but again it is not a symptom of a systemic failure. Human beings
are human beings, and some are bad or corrupt.
> The fact that these search and seizure laws are even in existence simply
> shows the apathy of American citizens.
What laws? Which ones? The ones that the video claims exist?
Law can always be bent badly by bad enforcers of that law. It
happened to minorities for *centuries*. Misuse of the law by
self-interested agencies or individuals is as old as time itself.
The thing that makes the conspiracists so wacky is that they
detect some kind of goal or pattern behind it that's somehow
newer or more sinister.
> Therefore I don't think it will be too long before guns are illegal.
Sorry. I can't agree, not even 5%.
best
LFB
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| (...) What's the difference if the gun is at home or at a person's side, they are still armed to protect themselves. As the law stands people still have the right to arm themselves, which is what the gun debate is all about to begin with. I simply (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) LFB, Kirby is a little too conspiracy prone for my taste also (really, it's his one obvious debate flaw), but that doesn't mean that he is wrong -- the fact is, Kirby is right in most of the broader strokes of his statements, even if he screws (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| With every gun debate I see/read, it seems to me more people would rather live unarmed. I seems likely to me that, within my lifetime, guns will be outlawed from private citizens. Why do I think this likely? Because I just don't see enough people (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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