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Re: An armed society...
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Mon, 21 Jan 2002 23:51:06 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > >
> > > > I would suggest bringing a gun into his own home is no solution.
> > > > Statistically, who is he most likely to shoot with the gun?
> > >
> > > /objective mode on
> > >
> > > Well ignoring the propaganda on both sides of the Gun Control issue, and • using
> > > indepentant statistics from Gallup Polls.
> > >
> > > This is all applicable to the USA.
> > > Roughly 10,000 crimes a year are committed with legally obtained guns. (It • is
> > > almost 10 times that for illegally obtained guns.) Roughly 2,000,000 crimes • a
> > > year are prevented by armed citizens.
> >
> > How many are prevented by unarmed citizens?
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> Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying.
Not all crimes involve firearms.
> > How many times are guns used as a threat when there is no need?
> > Does that count as a prevented crime?
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> Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they
> are criminals.
Or people without enough information to decide whether there is a need or not.
If Joe Six-pack sees a shop-lifter, and pulls out his legal firearm to stop
them, when not required, does that make him a criminal? If so, a crime was not
prevented, just replaced with another (assuming the shop-lifter was stopped).
What happens to your statistics?
> > > Statistically the easier it is to
> > > legally obtain a gun in an area the lower the crime rate.
> >
> > That is because statistically legal gun owners are white middle income
> > americans living in low crime areas.
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> All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally • obtian
> a gun the crime rate is lower. This hold true in all econmic and social
> classes.
But which is cause, and which is effect? ie, would allowing unlimited ownership
of guns in a high crime area (without other social changes) reduce the crime
rate in that area? I think not.
> > > /objective mode off
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> > > Gun Control has nothing to do with Guns and everything to do with Control.
> > > A politicain can never take away the peoples rights, so long as the people • have
> > > the ability to shoot him for trying.
> >
> > Tell that to the guys in Guantanamo Bay. Tell that to those held without
> > charge in US jails.
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> The fact that there was no public uprising may be the biggest sign that the
> Totalatarin factions in the US are winning the social War.
> >
> > I shall ask again : "I would suggest bringing a gun into his own home is no
> > solution. Statistically, who is he most likely to shoot with the gun?"
>
> No one. 99% of gun owners never have to fire their gun.
Where did you get that statistic?
> The threat of force
> is usually sufficent.
What the percentage does "usually" represent?
> The media is controlled by a small group of liberals.
> You only ever see the news that will benifit that position. The fact that
> dozens of successful home defence senerios play out for every unsuccessful
> senerio is often overlooked or ignored as a result.
Do you have any stats in this?
You've made a lot of assertions here. I agree there are probably many
successful home defence senerios played out, with & without firearms being
involved. I don't think that you've been able to convince me that everyone (of
appropriate age) should own a firearm.
ROSCO
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| [snip] (...) ownership (...) Well ABC news had a 20/20 report about a county in the USA. (I forget exactly where) That county had one of the highest crime rates in the country. A policy was enacted that required all able bodied, law abiding citizens (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) using (...) Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying. (...) Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they are criminals. (...) All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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