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Re: An armed society...
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Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:20:07 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally
> obtian a gun the crime rate is lower. This hold true in all econmic and social
> classes.
Cite, please. I'd like to read evidence of the "all economic and social
classes" bit.
> > I shall ask again : "I would suggest bringing a gun into his own home is no
> > solution. Statistically, who is he most likely to shoot with the gun?"
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> No one. 99% of gun owners never have to fire their gun. The threat of force
> is usually sufficent.
Cite, please. I would say that of all family members shot by other family
members, 100% are shot by guns (well, the people who wield them). Before
someone trots out the "more kids die by bleach" angle, I would hasten to add
that bleach-related murders are rare in the extreme, but gun related killings
are less uncommon.
> The media is controlled by a small group of liberals.
> You only ever see the news that will benifit that position.
Ah, that old mantra. Perhaps you remember a recent President whose every
action caused a feeding frenzy among the liberal press--a press which couldn't
stop reporting about The Blue Dress for months and months.
Rather than serving the "liberal" agenda, the press is guilty of playing to
public interest. That is, stories that garner a bigger popular audience are
likely to receive more coverage than those which are not.
> The fact that
> dozens of successful home defence senerios play out for every unsuccessful
> senerio is often overlooked or ignored as a result.
Cite, please! Without documentation, you are using anecdote and hearsay as
if they are evidence. There is no way to assess these "successful" scenarios
without further clarification. In Pittsburgh, for instance, where legal gun
acquisition is not difficult, there are break-ins every night of the week; the
number of these that are "successfully" thwarted is minimal in the extreme.
Further, there is no validity in asserting that "we just don't hear about the
successful ones," since you could therefore posit that 10billion breakins are
thwarted each night. Your claim lacks falisifiability and is inconsistent with
my geographical region, at least.
> This is not limited to just Gun Control issues either. For example about 2
> years ago a Homosexual was beaten to death by two "religous extremists." This
> was all over the media on the front pages of newspapers and the big story on
> the TV news. At almost the same time 2 Homosexuals lured a 12 year old boy
> into their house, raped, and murdered him. This was down played to the point
> where it was a small story at the back of the paper and had barely any mention
> at all on the TV news. It was as if they were trying to pretend it never
> happened.
So? At about the same time a mentally-retarded girl (between 12 and 16 years
old, though I can't remember) was hunted down like an animal by two sociopaths
with legally obtained firearms. Was this also front-page news? No. Was it
because the media are "controlled" by liberals? No.
Unlike the tragic murder of the 12 year old boy, the Matthew Sheppard case
was specifically motivated by anti-homosexual bigotry. *THAT* is why it
received national attention. The 12 year old's murder, while also undeniabley
tragic, was not driven by anti-heterosexual bigotry. To equate the two cases
is to omit deliberately key facts that fundamentally distinguish the two.
Dave!
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| (...) social (...) In the SIRS from the local Library. Skip the NRA surveys and the Hangun Control Inc. surveys. Propaganda from either side is irrelivent. The Gallup Poll surveys and studies are the ones Congress uses (or at least is supposed to (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) using (...) Not very many. They would tend to get shot for trying. (...) Only criminals use guns as a threat when there is no need. That is why they are criminals. (...) All things being equal otherwise, in areas where it is eaiser to legally (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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