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Re: One of my issues (Warning: even wordier than usual)
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Fri, 16 Nov 2001 20:12:26 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes:

If God could be empirically demonstrated, wouldn't that be better then the
current situation, in which he cannot?  Surely more people would be "saved,"
and that would seem to me a fine means of determining superiority of method.

Ok.  When you're in charge of the universe, you set up God as empirically
verifiable, and we'll run a comparison study.  Until then, the only answer
can be "unknown", and you know that.

  If you're asserting that a universe in which more people are legitimately
saved is less desirable than a universe in which fewer people are legimately
saved, then I think we have another debate on our hands.
  Besides which, 'don't criticize unless you can't do better' is about as
rhetorically useful as "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Even with the supposed moral absolute of Christianity, few
people indeed lead a perfectly moral life.  Pragmatically speaking, is an
unachievable but perfect morality any better than an achievable but
incomplete morality?

Nice trap question.

  Not a trap question at all, but a reasonable result of your observation.
Your comment re: social evolution seems to suggest that at some point, with
sufficient social evolution, man can divorce morality from a higher
authority (and some people have done so already).  When that happens, what's
the point of a higher authority?

     Dave!



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  Re: One of my issues (Warning: even wordier than usual)
 
(...) I'm not sure where you read that. I'm not asserting any outcome, I'm saying that the only honest answer I can give is "I don't know". Your whole beef appears to be that if it isn't verfiable by empirical science it's inferior, and then you go (...) (23 years ago, 16-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: One of my issues (Warning: even wordier than usual)
 
(...) We're arguing semantics, I think, over the meaning of "impossible". I am suggesting that if there are absolute limits, they limit everything (including God). You are stating that if there are are absolute limits, God can't exist. That doesn't (...) (23 years ago, 16-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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