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Re: More on Palestine
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:58:12 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> snippo
> "Of course, "the right of Israel to exist" has never been accepted by its
> enemies, especially Yasser Arafat. "
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> (I note you haven't answered whether you think it has a right to exist
> either... I'm starting to assume "no", and that you repudiate the UN
> resolution but I haven't been able to elucidate an answer yet)
Larry, I might have missed it but given that Israel has a right to exist,
what boundaries do you think it should have? The original partition
boundaries, the current boundaries, the current boundaries with some
concession to Palestinian territory... ? Personally I think a federation of
Israel and Palestine would be the ideal solution, that never really had a
chance in the circumstances of the late forties.
> Or perhaps this is hogwash?
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> "In 1986, when Ronald Reagan ordered U.S. bombers in Britain to attack
> Libya, three of our allies — France, Germany, and Italy — refused to
> cooperate in the strike, thereby endangering the mission and American crews.
> The bombers were forced to fly for a longer period of time and to refuel
> several times in the air. Yet, no lectures from Shields on how the people of
> these countries owe their liberty to America."
Well it's factually accurate, but as far as I know the Marshall Plan
finished in 1951 while US aid for Israel continues today. So I would see it
as comparing apples and oranges.
> "Just a few hours before our assault on the Taliban, the Voice of Palestine,
> Yasser Arafat's official radio station, "informed" its listeners that the
> FBI had discovered that Israel was behind the September 11th mass murder in
> New York and Washington, and had arrested several teams of Mossad agents. "
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> That one, I am certainly interested in hearing whether it's true or not. I
> don't speak Arabic, so can't say. Fits the MO for the PA though.
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> But I agree with the *conclusion* drawn in that one... the PA and Arafat are
> part of the problem, not the solution. The Palestinians will never be free
> under the brutal yoke of the PA.
AFAIK most of the Palestinians straining under that "yoke" make Arafat look
like a dove. I suspect that the portrayal of the PA as a monolithic
semi-dictatorship is a deliberate distortion. What solution is there without
some self-government for the Palestinians, and what evidence is there that
any other organisation would be preferable to the current PA?
--DaveL
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| (...) You didn't miss it, I don't think this particular question has ever arisen here. I freely admit I don't know the answer. (...) Some military theorists say the originial partition boundaries were indefensible and therefore unworkable. Israel's (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) You are going to have to do a little better than that at debunking... Is this quote "hogwash"? "Of course, "the right of Israel to exist" has never been accepted by its enemies, especially Yasser Arafat. " (I note you haven't answered whether (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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