To LUGNET HomepageTo LUGNET News HomepageTo LUGNET Guide Homepage
 Help on Searching
 
Post new message to lugnet.off-topic.debateOpen lugnet.off-topic.debate in your NNTP NewsreaderTo LUGNET News Traffic PageSign In (Members)
 Off-Topic / Debate / 11947
11946  |  11948
Subject: 
Re: Handgun Death Rate
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:53:27 GMT
Viewed: 
2080 times
  
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jason J. Railton writes:
> > If it meant giving up your unconditional requirement to arm
> > yourself, would you accept that decision, or would you claim you have the
> > right to ignore the ruling and arm yourself anyway, despite your then
> > minority status?  You cannot guarantee that the result of such a process
> > would be in your favour, but if you refuse to consider an unfavourable
> > outcome, and would refuse to abide by it, there is no point in starting.

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> This is incorrect. There are many sheep-citizens who *do* agree to
> unconditionally abide, and improving clarity would benefit them no matter
> what I chose to do myself. I feel for the sheep, even if I am myself not one
> of them, and want their condition improved.
> 
> It sounds like you're arguing against clarity because one person somewhere
> might not agree to go along? Or are you arguing against clarity because you
> like things ambiguous so that pull and cronyism and bribery are more
> important than the rule of law? Or something else?

Something else.  I'm not arguing agaainst clarity.  I think it would be
great for all concerned to clarify the constitution.  But you're assuming
that a process which had the task of reviewing and amending the constitution
would end up with a version which you feel you can comply with.  Now, if the
pressure were there to significantly change the constitution to something
you didn't agree with, what would you do?  And, I think you answered this
point quite well already.

Jason J Railton



Message has 1 Reply:
  Re: Handgun Death Rate
 
Thanks for the clarification! :-) (...) If I left you with the impression that I am making that assumption, I was unclear and I apologise because I really did not intend to say that. I realise there is a risk in any journey that you may not end up (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Message is in Reply To:
  Re: Handgun Death Rate
 
(...) The below is a good question but does not address the question I raised above... (...) This is a good question... it gets to the root of, does one accept unconditional majority rule? The constitution is a fundamental document, superior (in the (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

182 Messages in This Thread:
(Inline display suppressed due to large size. Click Dots below to view.)
Entire Thread on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact

This Message and its Replies on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact
    

©2005 LUGNET. All rights reserved. - hosted by steinbruch.info GbR