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Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
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Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:16:47 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Eaton writes:
However, one does not need to be "self-conscious" (not that you said one
needed to) in order to be moral-- it merely helps. BTW, how would one define
self consciousness?

Before someone points out my error, I'll just correct myself here. It can be
argued, and come to think of it, I think *should* be argued that
self-consciousness *is* the prerequisite (sp?) of which I was speaking-- I
merely was assuming a "higher" definition of self-consiousness above.

Actually, the ability to recognize others' wants as having value requires by
definition, I think, the ability to distinguish one's own self from others,
and as such, should perhaps be what we mean be self-aware. Hence, in order
to be self-aware, we must in actuality be aware of others. Make sense?

DaveE



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  Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
 
(...) I whole-heartedly agree. However, in order to argue that animals do *NOT* have it and that humans *DO*, something must be different. But I don't argue that. Accepting the premise that animals *DON'T*, I hold that at some *point*, morality (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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