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Subject:	Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
Newsgroups:	lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date:	Tue, 3 Jul 2001 00:01:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: > > > (To Ross, it's > > > more reasonable to ask that you prove this happens than that I prove it > > > doesn't, partly because you're asking me to prove the negative and partly > > > because your claim would be the more far fetched) > > > > OK. You asserted "animals are amoral" with nothing to back it up. Go type > > "dog hero" into your favourite search engine, look through the list of hits. > > Many acts can be explained by (the dog exhibiting) self preservation, but > > what causes a dog to jump into a flooding river & drag out a human? What > > causes a dog to drag a human back home after he experienced a heart attack? > > Their morals may not be as complex as ours, but that doesn't make them > > non-existent. > > Good examples! Dogs are pack animals, it is true. Is that sufficient to > explain these behaviours? I don't know. Saving one's meal ticket would > exhibit forethought. Do dogs have such? The conventional answer is that they > don't, so that's not an explanation either. > > Are these examples of morals? Or just of bonding? I don't know. Important point to keep in mind: amoral does not equal immoral. Immorality implies that the converse--morality--exists. But can't a competing, "dog idea" of morality exist? Why must human morality be ported to a dog, when moralism is socialized? best LFB

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		Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Well, the idea is (in my mind) that morality in general has some "root" to it in order to be deemed morality at all. Heck, your morality is just as misplaced when ported to me as when mine is ported to a dog. And yet we do both. Are our (...) (23 years ago, 3-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: 3 Question (was: Did animals have rights before we invented rights?)
(...) Good examples! Dogs are pack animals, it is true. Is that sufficient to explain these behaviours? I don't know. Saving one's meal ticket would exhibit forethought. Do dogs have such? The conventional answer is that they don't, so that's not an (...) (23 years ago, 2-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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