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Re: Libertarian SPAM (Propaganda)
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Tue, 19 Jun 2001 08:24:45 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
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> <snip>
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> I think you raise some good points but I'm not sure how to proceed since we
> seem a ways a part. As with Shiri's post about working conditions, I am not
> going to claim that things are not better now than they were then, just that
> the path that got us from there to here was not the only path that could
> have been taken.
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> My point here WRT racism is that it was indeed at least partly government
> sponsored, and that companies that wanted to compete on a different basis
> had very high barriers to entry (torching businesses that would not go along
> with informal racist practices was not unheard of. I call that a high
> barrier to entry.)
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> If the rule of law was actually in effect in the south and elsewhere to
> where boycotts and strikes were not met with armed government thugs I
> suspect that the demise of institutional racism would have been sooner.
> Ditto for things like the Pullman strike. In both these cases what failed,
> at the core, was the rule of law. Time and time again when you look into
> things you find that law was used as a weapon against those that worked for
> peaceful change, whether it be by trying to set up competing enterprises or
> by publicity, or by peaceful assembly, or by peacably trying to exercise
> rights such as the ballot.
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> Stamp out those egregious violations of civil liberty and punish the
> violators severely and racism would have taken care of itself. It's a non
> starter of an idea, it's so stupid on the face of it to think that way, and
> it cannot compete in the market of ideas against tolerance and honesty and
> openness unless the market is rigged.
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> That does not change my assertion that I as a seller or buyer should be able
> to choose who to do business with based on whatever criteria I choose. In a
> free market I will be punished should I make foolish restrictions.
But I am sure that there would be many who would be willing to pay a premium
to send their kids to a "whites only" school or use other whites only services.
With your text above, we return to the LP's dilemma. The LP is made up of a
membership which is predominately white and it promotes a philosophy which
would see, amongst other things, the return of segregation (the extent is
arguable). If I were to waste time designing a utopia, the first step
towards it would be to remove racism and sexism.
Your main mistake is to believe that a real free market can solve every
problem to a better level than we have today. No serious economist I know
argues this – only politicians with vested interests.
Scott A
> You can take that as you choose, if you want to see it as evasion, that's
> OK, but I really think I'm trying to get to the fundamental principle. I
> won't be insulted if you inadvertantly misinterpret what I say because I
> wasn't clear enough, please feel free to ask for clarification and I will
> gladly give it if I am able.
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> On the topic of the LP's membership I posted another post which you might
> not have seen asking what exactly can be done about it without compromising
> principles. I honestly don't know the answer.
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> ++Lar
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| (...) Please provide a cite where I said this. I don't claim EVERY problem can be solved better, (For example the problem of your obdurateness is no doubt insoluble under any system) just that the aggregate of all problems would be solved better, on (...) (23 years ago, 19-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> I think you raise some good points but I'm not sure how to proceed since we seem a ways a part. As with Shiri's post about working conditions, I am not going to claim that things are not (...) (23 years ago, 18-Jun-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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