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Re: Rolling Blackouts
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Wed, 23 May 2001 08:20:50 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> There is some merit in the arguments your cite makes. I would ask this,
> however.... (and I snipped away the rest)
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
> > Christopher, I found this text which goes over most of your points. It is
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> > Consider the argument
> > of Robert J. Smith who suggests that the absence of privatization explains
> > "why the buffalo nearly vanished, but not the Hereford; ... why the common
> > salmon fisheries of the United States are overfished, but not the private
> > salmon streams of Europe." His solution? "We should explore the
> > possibilities of extending ownership of native game animals and wildlife to
> > property owners.".
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> Overfishing is a worldwide problem, and a growing one. Whatever nation
> builds the largest fleet of boats wins the race to catch the remaining few
> free roaming large schools of species x, then there is a crash, and we move
> on to the next species. Or so it seems.
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> This is a classic tragedy of the commons problem. Whoever most insanely
> exploits the commons "wins",
Welcome to the planet earth Larry.
> but the commons (in this case, fish stocks) is
> destroyed.
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> What exactly WOULD you do about overfishing? What is your concrete proposal
> to address it? Owning the fish isn't practical, is it? What is?
I think you are cherry picking points from my post rather than jutifying your
past "arguments" and claims. I shall humour you.
The eu operates a quota system were fishing is concerned. There are strict
limits on both the number of fishing licenses a country can have (although
fishermen can, and do, sell them overseas) and the amount of fish it can land.
The problem with the system is that the freemarketers (fishermen) have no
respect for the law or the resource they are exploiting. This ultimately
results in ever reducing licences and quotas:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1049000/1049859.stm
The fishermen then complain that they are being over regulated. They are too
selfish to see that they are ultimately to blame as they cannot be trusted. In
short, I think the eu system would work better if it was enforced more
See. I have humoured you. Now, I suggest you go back and justify all the claims
you have made in this thread. Let's start with where you shrugged of the work
of a Nobel laureate which summarised views voiced by 5 Nobel laureates and 2500
other economists with "That is not a view I share.".
See:
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=10513
Scott A
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> ++Lar
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| (...) What is that supposed to mean, exactly? I've been here all along and have been quite aware of this class of problem inasmuch as it points out a major failing in the concept of public ownership. (...) If they are breaking laws they are not (...) (24 years ago, 24-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| There is some merit in the arguments your cite makes. I would ask this, however.... (and I snipped away the rest) (...) Overfishing is a worldwide problem, and a growing one. Whatever nation builds the largest fleet of boats wins the race to catch (...) (24 years ago, 22-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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