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Re: Why the founding fathers limited government scope (was Re: Rolling Blackouts
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 12 May 2001 18:01:17 GMT
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Daniel Jassim wrote:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tom Stangl writes:
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> > You're missing the point, Daniel.
> >
> > Why in must "a space based manufacturing infrastructure" be a "business of warfare"?
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> I think you're missing the point, Tom. Why should the beginnings of a "space
> based manufacturing infrastructure" be based on military applications?
Because it will get things done faster, because no one (or consortium of) company is willing to pony up the money to do so at this time?
> My
> whole point is that, all too often in this country, we use "enemies" to
> justify alarming amounts of spending. I will also add that humanitarian
> research has a history of being perverted by being militarized and applied
> in warfare.
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> > I think you're a more violent person than you'd like to admit (especially >from your other comments in this group).
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> Believe what you wish, I don't go around suggesting we build a missile
> defense system and charge other nations for intercept services. I say we
> invest more in brokering peace. However, war makes more money than peace.
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> > Getting "a space based manufacturing infrastructure" created will let us do far more than build war toys, and getting it there FASTER increases our chances as a species to
> > survive our emotions by having some of our population OFF of the planet.
>
> That's an idealistic view I would like to share, but look at what happened
> in the last century.
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> > > So, in the end, it's all about money and greed! Forget humanity, forget
> > > morals, forget peace, forget the environment...let's cash in on war!
> >
> > You're just fclueless.
>
> So now it's insults?
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> <snipped comments on space manufacturing>
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> > Sure, initially, and for some of the people behind the building, it will be all about money and greed.
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> Exactly my reasons to hold off on any military space venture until we take
> care of our problems down here.
Oh, so we shouldn't allow anything to be done if SOME of the people involved are motivated by money and greed? Showing your cluelessness again. We'd be disallowing a LOT of
things in that case.
> We shouldn't allow more generations to live
> under the spectre of mutual destruction. We have the propensity of greed and
> morbid curiousity as to what kind of destruction we can inflict. When I
> listen to the cold analysis of military researchers talking about how glad
> they had the opportunity to test new weapons and vehicles in "Desert Storm",
> I realize that there's no cause for celebration since innocent human beings
> lost their lives over this. Regardless of intent, something bad always comes
> out of something good. Look at nuclear waste, look at pollution, look at
> deforestation.
So we should just give up and stop doing ANYTHING, good or bad, following this reasoning.
--
Tom Stangl
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