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Re: A question of remembrance...
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Mon, 7 May 2001 19:39:13 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes:
> Daniel writes:
> > I am very sorry about this debate dragging on but I cannot, with clear
> > conscience, allow certain blatantly Zionist remarks to slide.
> First, no apologies are necessary. You obviously have some things you wish
> to express.
> > The moral issue I've maintained is "who invaded who" and "who is oppressing
> > who" and I'll add "who is supporting the oppressor." With that in mind, it >>baffles me that anyone who values justice and human rights could ever take >>the side of Israel, or support America's policy toward Israel.
> To be honest, I don't support much of anything outside of U.S. borders. I
> want to mind my own business in relation to my neighbors, and I want U.S.
> foreign policy to reflect a similar laissez faire attitude to the world at
> large. I don't want to be a part of the U.N. I don't believe in a League
> of Nations. I don't want to make the world safe for democracy or for
> anything else. I like to stay small and mobile and make alliances as they
> seem appropriate.
Well said! You, me and Jefferson:
"Honest friendship with all who wish it, entangling alliances with none"
> And I don't support the state of Israel. I would probably have opposed its
> creation, but I wasn't alive yet when it happened and no one consulted me
> about it. But Israel exists and we have to deal with the world as it is. I
> don't think we are going to get all those people off the land after the
> passage of the momentous decades since the creation of Israel. Its just
> gone too far. And history lessons tell us nothing about how to achieve a
> new and lasting peace with the situation as it IS. You want to dredge up
> the whole issue from its inception, and while I understand why you feel that
> way, I am telling you that nothing will come of it. Palestine lost the
> political argument then, and it won't win it now. I don't happen to think
> the American Indians will ever get back Manhattan either...
Although they got a nice piece of change by owning Foxwoods! THAT was shrewd
working within the system. :-)
> My bias is entirely in favor of peace, however it may be achieved...
> I support both the state of Palestine and Israel together in peace.
> I want the world to be better than it has been. I want enemies in the world
> to agree not to kill or harass each other. I want world-wide torture to
> stop. I want greater respect for women. I want systematic genocide to end.
> I want property in the hands of the many and not just the few -- while still
> favoring capitalism and democratic republics. I want drug problems to be
> dealt with by health professionals rather than by cops. And I don't really
> want my MTV any longer...
> ...and my wants, too, may go unfulfilled in my lifetime.
Maybe not but they are pretty good things to want! And one's reach ought to
exceed one's grasp, no?
> Peace be with you, Brother.
And also with you. AWESOME post.
++Lar
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| (...) This is an oft-quoted snippet, and I have no doubt that it was fine foreign policy for an infant nation two centuries ago, but in an age when we can cross the globe in hours, I think its relevance is more metaphorical than actual. And while (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) First, no apologies are necessary. You obviously have some things you wish to express. (...) To be honest, I don't support much of anything outside of U.S. borders. I want to mind my own business in relation to my neighbors, and I want U.S. (...) (24 years ago, 7-May-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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