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(...) Certainly a lot of my concerns about it fall into this category, I just want to make sure that the road isn't a suspension bridge during high wind, and that we aren't travelling in a high-sided vehicle! Richard (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Driving around with a black woman in my car sure revealed this. Suddenly I started getting stopped for fix-it tickets. My favorite was when they noted a broken light on the far side of the car that they couldn't see when they turned on their (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So are you saying that in Libertopia, the LEGO test for some people and the SAT for others is ok (Larry said that using different tests for different people and different schools is ok, both implicitly in this most recent post, and more (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, for what it's worth, I don't disagree with any of what you say below, though I suspect that in a Libertopia, we might find ourselves supporting some different causes. That's fine with me, I don't expect everyone to have the same (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To all, I am not the most articulate person in the world, but what Larry said is dead on. Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your evading the question. I asked about "disadvantaged" minorities as classes. I am quite aware that INDIVIDUALS of every "disadvantaged" minority have been extremely successeful. My question is do you think that blacks as a whole have the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Frank raises some good points. But if I am careful I will find myself disagreeing with him... I think it would be naiive in the extreme to say that past history has not seen injustice suffered by some groups at the hands of others. Name an (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Which is precisely why silly things like WW2 history are not emphasized in US schools. The US is a memoryless society where the opportunity-of-the-moment guides the actions. Having vast masses unconcerned with geography and history is an important (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some do and some don't, just like everyone else. It depends on their life choices, etc. (...) That is debatable, but if they get paid less, that's something for the EEOC to look at. (...) To who? Does every job category have to have x this, y (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, if the only discussion is about affirmative action, tell me, do you believe that currently blacks and women as general classes of people have the same opportunities as white males as a general class of people? If you do, then what is your (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry & all, This whole set of posting is off from what I am arguing about, which is affirmative action. I think discrimination, on anyone, is wrong, in the context of jobs, education, etc. If we test people, shouldn't everyone take the same tests? (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My college education (at the first "engineering" college in the US (world?) - Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute) certainly focused on a well rounded education. We were required to effectively take one humanities or social sciences class every (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Heartlessly snipped, as usual (...) I guess I'm mostly with Chris on this one. Scott, you raise some valid points about flaws in the current system. But short of scrapping the whole notion of regulating how colleges admit people, which is my (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott E. Sanburn" wrote: > Why is that? Should the tests be designed to determine who has a good (...) Making it so they all go to college together segregates them? (...) Should not? What do you mean should? What if it does? Does matter, whether or (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In that case, I think we should test ALL students at all levels on their assembler coding skills. Hey, you think using different tests for different people is not fair. Of course I'll start picking doctors who went to school in some other (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There was a bar,(1) we went to when we went on Copper Country cruises. Among the things they had in this bar were an amazing gun collection hanging in the rafters (something like over 1000 guns including some very rare machine guns and stuff), (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, (...) Because it sets up different standards, which segregate black and whites, and other groups. There is something about not discriminating because of race, sex, etc. Isn't there? Or should we? If we want a fair society, race and sex and (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one claims that it is a perfect predictor. Not high schools, not colleges, not even SAT. (...) SAT is a pretty good predictor. It maybe didn't predict well for you, but on average it does. And it's a hell of a lot cheaper for schools and (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Chris, (...) I still resent it, simply because others dragged my grade down. I work with people all day, every day. My performance reviews and my salary depend on it. However, in school, it is not a real situation (See above posts), and me having (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I was a sophomore in college I had to work with a group of five other people to write a 40ish page paper. We met over several weeks and it became more and more evident that this group simply didn't have the dynamic to make it happen. I (...) (25 years ago, 3-Feb-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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