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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> > > Why wouldn't I want him to see who my parents are, or if I'm single or
> > > married? That is supposed to be of public knowledge - that is why people
> > > wear those gold rings, and have last names... :-P
> >
> > I could come up with a number of reasons that a person might not want their
> > parentage or maritl status broadcast. And you might just say those reasons
> > don't apply to you. But what about others? I don't think this is just about
> > you. I don't care if anyone knows who my parents are either...at least not • off
> > hand. But some people might and I don't see it as my right to prevent their
> > privacy.
>
> Ok, please point some reasons to me. I may even write a memo to the ID
> bureau here (no kidding!) if they are irrefutable.
You might not want your parentage known under any circumstance where parentage
matters. If you are a mix of ethnicities, one or more of which are
discriminated against, you might not want it obvious. If your parent is
(in)famous, you might not want to be hassled about being their kid. If your
parentage is unsure the entry might look funny. If your parent has any kind of
enemies, you might not want it brought to attention that you are kin.
You might not want your marital status scrutinized when you are in the process
of changing said status (e.g. getting a divorce). Or when you are considering
or attempting to attract someone sexually who might be put off by your
marriage. Or in situations where one status is valued above another.
> > None. Must is bad. I can demonstrate my ID through people that know me,
> > dental records, mail, etc. depending on the situation.
>
> a) I can demonstrate my identity through a couple of friends WITH ID if I
> don't have mine.
How does that identify you? You mean, only people with IDs are trustworthy?
> b) You keep *dental records*?! How practical is that on the street? :-P
Why must you be prepared at the drop of a hat to identify yourself? Maybe it
would be easier if you just had a chip-beacon implanted for law enforcement.
> c) How do you use *mail* to demonstrate identity?
I have had to show mail to demonstrate state residence. It's not exactly ID,
but it's related.
> > I leave my debit card number with them.
>
> And what they can do with that!... :-(
It's my choice to do so or not. And I think it's pretty safe. So far there's
been no trouble.
> > I might choose to do that. But I can just do that with my drivers license.
>
> What about those who DON'T drive??
In the US there are lots of _optional_ forms of ID available. As a tool, ID is
fine. As a requirement it's not.
> > Here in the US that is not the
> > case. It seems to me, that those who are required to interact with them on a
> > regular basis
>
> Who? And why?
Those who live in poor neighborhoods, criminals, cops, mobsters, etc.
> > Which is not to say that they have no purpose or reason. I have been • assisted
> > by police and I have been needlessly hassled by police. I have seen people
> > brutalized by police for "talking back." I have little respect for the
> > profession.
>
> I have only experienced the part of being assisted. And searched on the
> entrance of a College festival, but that is something required by law - so
> it is not a "hassle".
Gosh! I think lots of things that are required by law are hassles, but I know
that's not what you mean.
> You can talk back to officers here, as long as you
> don't play violent - THAT would be very, very bad.
The former part is different, but the latter is the same here.
> > > If there is a Police force, legitimated by the society, it is VERY
> > > reasonable they can ask for proof of identity!
> >
> > If they have probable cause to suspect me of commission of a crime, then I
> > agree.
>
> What about confusion? It may be of interest to make light over
> misunderstandings. There are lots of guys looking like me that can not
> behave so neatly, and I sure won't like to be taken for one of them.
Probable cause doesn't mean that I'm guilty. It means that they have a
plausible reason to suspect that I _might_ have done something illegal. So
they check it out. That's what we all agree to. I also have the option of not
providing ID and seeing what the cop wants to do about it.
Chris
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| (...) Maybe... but then again, it is highly unlikely that any portuguese hasn't had ancestors of different races/ethnicites, thus noone can pick on me for that. Besides, names here are all alike, for all ethnicites. (...) Ah, fame... I can count (...) (23 years ago, 7-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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| (...) Ok, please point some reasons to me. I may even write a memo to the ID bureau here (no kidding!) if they are irrefutable. (...) a) I can demonstrate my identity through a couple of friends WITH ID if I don't have mine. b) You keep *dental (...) (23 years ago, 6-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.loc.pt)
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