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Re: Desiring Machine (was Re: You get to choose!)
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Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:41:52 GMT
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In lugnet.lego.direct, Richard Marchetti writes:
> In lugnet.lego.direct, Reinhard "Ben" Beneke writes:
> > Just to repeat some of my statements:
> > - Legends are legends, because they have been desireable sets: good design +
> > often rare sets because they have been discontinued since years.
> > - a re-released legend is no longer a legend, because it is just a mass
> > product (you have not to desire it any longer - just buy it). If a legend is
> > re-released it becomes a dead legend in my eyes: might be a cool set, but it
> > is by far less desireable. (You alway desire most, what is hard to get.)
>
> Spoken like a collector without regard for what others may or may not have in
> their collections. I see this as a kind of greed on your part, pure and
> simple.
Just turn the medal and I tell you: it is greed that makes people wanting to
have these legends...
(Stupid argument of mine? Agree - but is yours the better one?)
> Others, who for reasons of youth or having made different spending
> choices in the past, now have an opportunity to pick up something they have
> had to do without in the meanwhile. And while the Yellow Castle (more
> below) is not my first choice as a rerelease given some of the details, many
> others may well want to have one and not have to pay $300 or whatever for
> what is in the end mostly just a pile of yellow bricks...! You would deny
> them this for what reason? Your elite ownership of the previous release?
I do not own one that deserves the name 375. So your argument is
completely hollow.
> I have said it before and I will say it again: lego is not a great choice
> for collectors for numerous reasons.
Why not? Because you dislike collectors? I tell you: there are not much more
better items to be found than MISB Lego sets. Take a look into ebay and you see
these items are collectors items. But I am not a collector and I do not own any
MISB set. I trow away boxes and I give away these needless instructions
(except from train theme)....
I am building MOC. That is, what I have my bricks for.
> > I would wish, TLC could bring out more new and good designs like the 10020
> > Santa Fe or the 3451 Sopwith Camel. And if they had a lack of own ideas they
> > should bring more MOC-sets like the 3739 Blacksmith Shop. But legends in the
> > way they are released now are not very helpful for lots of fans.
> And consider the cost per set savings if TLC sells older sets it has already
> developed many years ago -- they save in many ways, and hopefully pass the
> savings on to consumers. I think that's the whole driving force behind the
> Legends line right there...
Agree - but the costs would be the same for a changed design: Lego made new
instructions anyway and the costs are the same if 10001 is grey or dark gray:
they had to take for e.g. the nose piece mould back into production anyway.
> > If TLC wanted to do us a favour, they would do major changes to the new
> > legends. For example the 375 castle:
> > It has been a great set in 1978. I loved that set and will always love it. • But
> > do I need a "faked" 375 set today? Really not!! A re-release has not the
> > charme of the original set from 1978. And I do not need yellow bricks for own
> > designs does anybody else? I cannot imagine.
> Well, that one didn't get my highest vote because it will lack the original
> knight's headgear -- in my view, this failing makes its rerelease less than
> interesting.
Tell me why? The building of the set is the same challenge. Why do you need a
copy of 375 that is as near to the real one as possible?
> Given that, the only unique elements that will be offered in the
> rerelease will be the yellow steep corner slopes -- which should really be a
> parts pack available in most colors. I think the 1x1 "lantern" elements which
> may have been the "squared" type originally, will now just be the basic round
> one that have been around for years. For those reasons, your precious
> original set remains undiminished. Be happy yourself and let others have
> their fun.
??
> As to the tan and dark grey variant arguments you raise, I have no arguments
> with that either -- just a caveat that the same thing could/should be
> addressed by a proper handling of brick bulk/accessory packs.
If so - why rerelease 375 if bulk could do the same?
> Anyway, I think I voted for the Black Knight set for the black steep corner
> slopes. But I wouldn't care if the rerelease of the Battrax made my 4-5
> copies of the original obsolete -- and I am quite sure the elements are such
> that they could duplicate this set almost perfectly, I can't think of a
> reason that would hex it -- all of the elements have been made until
> recently. So great, I have my 4-5 already -- I should care that others pick
> theirs up now?
No idea why you should - I do not care about it either.
> Lego is about playing. There is room in my sandbox for others to have all
> of the same stuff I do. I have no sense of competition about it. Why should
> you?
You are argueing against me as a collector: I am not. So none of your agruments
hit me.
If you are interested in my point of view, read this posting of mine, please:
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=36495
Kind Regards
Ben
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| (...) Well, perhaps -- there is certainly desire for certain elements. I think we would all be served better by more selection in the accessory packs, but if the only way to get some things are going to be the Legend and Classics lines, then so be (...) (23 years ago, 15-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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| (...) Spoken like a collector without regard for what others may or may not have in their collections. I see this as a kind of greed on your part, pure and simple. Others, who for reasons of youth or having made different spending choices in the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Apr-02, to lugnet.lego.direct)
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