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    Re: So did you wonder about me? —Larry Pieniazek
   (...) Really! Cool. I was a bit worried about the pliers comment in the faq. (...) Ho ho!!! Clearly we need a design that uses 92 (or 182) of each thing so that they have to supply 88 extra of each color but one. (91 wouldn't work, they always give (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
   
        Re: So did you wonder about me? —Frank Filz
     (...) I figured that this was the way it would be done (my guesses were 50 or 100 count bags). (...) Actually, I bet the bags do have exactly 90 1x1 plates. I don't think I've ever got extra 1x1 plates so I think they are heavy enough compared to (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
   
        How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Todd Lehman
   (...) Hmm. I bet they're *really* 90-count bags and the extras are for if you go over 88, not 90. That is, I'll speculate that if you need 87 or 88, you get one bag. But if you need 89, 90, 91, 92, or any number up to 176, you get two bags. (Just a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
     (...) Sounds like they've set themselves up to give a pretty good bargain since a best case (for TLC) would be only 22 bags, so being able to get 26 bags is getting an extra 18.2% (or a 15% discount). Of course they may budget the thing for 25 bags (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
     (...) thing (...) Of course a smart mosaic generator could pretty easily make sure you only ever get 25 bags. In your "optimal" example, assuming that they do go for perfect use of the 90 plates in a bag, the program only has to recolor 9 or 10 (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Todd Lehman
      (...) But it can't recolor your pixels if you do high-contrast banding -- i.e., a band of black, a band of medium gray, a band of white, a band of dark gray, and finally a band of light gray. I think it can only (fairly) do color substitutions when (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
     
          Optimal banding *shape* (was Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Larry Pieniazek
      In my playing with Brick-o-liser (which has been hampered by the fact that it's very very slow.... even on a fast connection) the stock images are all larger than the 44x44 plate area, requiring resizing. Are people using actual 44x44 sized images (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
     (...) case (...) They especially can't recolor since they allow you to print out instructions before you order. How could they justify eliminating my 1 pixel of each of the regular colors from my image? (not to say they can't do whatever they like) (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
     (...) FWIW, my first order resulted in: 1 Black => 1 bag of 90 Black 1 DGray => 1 bag of 90 DGray 1 MGray => 1 bag of 90 MGray 1932 LGray => 22 bags of 90 LGray 1 White => 1 bag of 90 White What did everyone else order? -Jon (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Todd Lehman
      (...) LOL!!!! Beauty! Will we be seeing these on BAYLIT anytime soon? I could use about 50 or 100 light gray 1x1 plates and would be happy to pay $.05 apiece for them. But I don't need a whole 48x48 baseplate full of them. --Todd (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Richard W. Schamus
     (...) <snip> (...) I want to order exactly what you ordered if it is indeed the *new* gray, and they (TLC) don't tweek your image. Rich -- Have Fun! C-Ya! Legoman34 ***** Legoman34 (Richard W. Schamus)... (My views do not necessarily express the (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Larry Pieniazek
      (...) Me too. Jon, would you be willing to share your image file with the lazy once you know what it actually results in your getting? ++Lar (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
     
          Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
      (...) I'll certainly let everyone know what arrives. And test the intent of the "agreement" My "image file" was simply taking the LEGO 'brick' picture and using their tools: 1) zooming into blow up a section that was entirely 1 color 2) adjusting (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
     
          Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
      (...) I don't think this will be any more difficult than any other S@H order with a variety of items. My guess is that you'll find that each bag has a "set" number on it, and you'll see those set numbers on your invoice. Then the only custom thing (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
    
         Lego Mosaic Customer Service call —Paul Sinasohn
     Hey, everybody - I ordered 3 mosaics today, and I just got a call from S@H customer service checking to see if they were all real or if I had accidentally duplicated an order. My 3 mosaics are my sister, my brother, and Jeri Ryan (by accident) - (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: Lego Mosaic Customer Service call —Tom Stangl
      The interesting thing is that I tried to order 2 on one order, and it wouldn't let me. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: Lego Mosaic Customer Service call Jake McKee
     Just as a side note to this, the reason that they are calling to check multiple orders is for verification/fraud protection purposes. They want to verify that you really wanted that many before any charges are made, since the system is new. Jake (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: Lego Mosaic Customer Service call —Paul Sinasohn
     Um, Jake.... The Nice Lady had also heard of you. Paul Sinasohn LUGNET #115 (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek, lugnet.lego.direct)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
     (...) Naturally. As soon as they arrive. Pre-orders are accepted, but I can't guarantee that my order won't get "re-colored" We shall see... -Jon :-) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Todd Lehman
      (...) Thanks for doing this (for assuming the full the risk of possibly breaching the User Agreement and taking any heat from LEGO which might subsequently ensue if they find out what you're doing). Please let us know as soon as they've arrived (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Tom Stangl
     I also ordered a Mosaic with the below #s, we'll see what happens. (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
     (...) There may be a problem here. An earlier post referred to Light Gray as being the standard Gray, with the new color being Medium Gray, not (scala) Light Gray. Thus the Scala Gray may not be the new 'gray' used in the Mosaic... (I'm confusing (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Ben Gatelle
      (...) Yes, I thought the same thing, but enough of us have already put in orders, though mine was more even in the distribution of colors, that I guess we will have to see when they arrive. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Scala light gray. (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
     
          Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —John Neal
       If this helps any-- the new color is a shade *between* the current gray and the current dark gray. It isn't Scala lite gray. (That's the way it was on the example mosaic at the Kidvention) -John (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Todd Lehman
       (...) WOW!!! So now there are 4 shades of LEGO gray (including the SCALA warm light gray)? Zoinks!! --Todd (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Matthew Miller
        (...) Ahhh, just imagine if there were that many shades of every color.... (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
       
            Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Ben Gatelle
        (...) Yea, like green... BEN (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
       
            Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
         (...) OK, well, there aren't really 4 shades of gray... at least not publically available (not in Mosaic, at least) But as for Green, there are... 1) Dk Green (aka, standard 'Green') (Bricks, and everything else) 2) Bright Green (used in Baseplates, (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
        
             Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Ben Gatelle
          (...) Don't forget 5) New antique green (from Statue of Lib and new 2001 sets) I have a few of the lime green baseplates, though I always refer to this as mint green. The really like to find bright green foliage pieces. I have several of the large (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
         
              Shades of green (was Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Tom Stangl
          No, the green BURP (and the green ladder in 5855) is darker than standard green. That being said, if anyone wants to sell/trade the green ladders out of 5855, I'm interested - I refuse to buy the whole set for just the ladders. (...) -- | Tom (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
         
              Re: Shades of green (was Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Frank Filz
          (...) The green ladders I got out of 5855 seem to be the regular green color (and no, they aren't for sale/trade...) Frank (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
         
              Re: Shades of green (was Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Charles Eric McCarthy
          (...) I agree. I was just looking at these this morning, and I see no difference between the regular green bricks, the green BURP, and the green ladder from 5855. Tom, do you really have a different shade of green for these? /Eric McC/ (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
        
             Green BURPS (was- Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Nathan McDowell
         (...) Green BURPS? In what set? I've looked the DB up and down for a Belville set with geen BURPS and I can't find any in any, although I did come across some yellow ones. We are talking about the Big Ugly Rock Piece right? Any help would be (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general, lugnet.belville)
        
             Re: Green BURPS (was- Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Charles Eric McCarthy
         (...) In 5854 Pony Trekking. Jon, do you really have some that are a different shade than the standard green? /Eric McC/ (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general, lugnet.belville)
        
             Re: Green BURPS (was- Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Nathan McDowell
          (...) Thanks! I looked right over it, couldn't see it behind the pony in the small pic on the DB. ~Nathan (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general, lugnet.belville)
        
             Re: Green BURPS (was- Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Jon Kozan
         (...) green? Wow, I had thought this thread was dead. I've never picked up that set. But I have it on good authority - Ebay auctions I've seen - that they are indeed Dk Dk Green - Mike Walsh can probably confirm this as well. -Jon (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general, lugnet.belville)
        
             Re: Green BURPS (was- Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Mike Walsh
          "Jon Kozan" <jauction@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:G4wBwu.EsA@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Wish I could, I don't have any of them myself. Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general, lugnet.belville)
       
            (canceled) —Jon Kozan
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —John Neal
        (...) Yup. In fact, if you just saw the new gray by itself, you could easily mistake it for dark gray (I recall thinking) -John (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
        (...) I guess it's a good thing that I can use lots of gray on my battleship. Now I'm wondering what color the basleplate is. (John - do you know?) -Jon (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
       
            Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —John Neal
         (...) Don't remember it being anything special, so I'm thinking that it's just a plain ol' large gray baseplate. -John (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
       (...) mistake (...) I'm very curious to see this new grey. I have a 1x1 plate w/side clip which is a grey between the current light and dark (and which I did initially think was dark grey until I matched it up with a real dark grey). I'm getting a (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
     
          Mosaic Kit 3 shades of gray —Ben Gatelle
      (...) Well my Mosaic Kit has arrived. I can confirm that the kit has three shades of gray plates (which everyone already knew), a standard dark gray, a standard gray (the same color as the baseplate), and a lighter gray between the regular gray and (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.general)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Tom Stangl
     That's OK - I plan on ordering 4 more Mosaics, switching the 1932 color, once I get the first ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Tom Stangl
      CRAP!!! They loaded my box wrong! The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, yet I only got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags. <sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Tom Stangl
     CRAP!!! They loaded my box wrong! The instruction sheet for my mosaic clearly shows it is 99.9% #2 lt-lt-grey, yet I only got 2 #2 bags, and 21 #3 bags. <sigh> Time to call S@H on Monday and figure out what to do now. (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Tom Stangl
      S@H is straightening this out and getting me the #2 bags that should have been loaded in the box. S@H rocks! (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
     
          Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
       Much as I was afraid of. (Note, that I _still_ don't have mine yet...) While I'm glad that they are easliy willing to correct their mistake.... S@H doesn't have the systems to handle customized ordering (bad MRP system). And, they can't afford to (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
        (...) I don't see why the mosaic should be hard for them to ship. Ultimately, because of how it's packaged, its just a group of sets which are ordered in a somewhat bizarre way. Ok, I guess they do package the thing into a "set" box, and then into a (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
       
            Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jon Kozan
        (...) From an individual's perspective, this would certainly appear as simple as you describe it. But, from an accounting system or MRP systems perspective, this is a ROYAL NIGHTMARE. Look at it this way. (LEGO before Mosaic) My computer system (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
       
            Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
        (...) I bet they've forecast based on 25 bags. True, many of us will optimize our pictures to get 26 bags, but I bet even with that concerted effort, the difference in margin will be minimal. (...) I thought I saw a picture of what someone got, and (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Horst Lehner
        Hello Mosaicers, (...) What happened is that the set is currently "not available" both in Germany and the US. Let's hope that this is just a temporary shortage. I was just ready to order one or two of them, after having read through the information (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
      
           Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Steve Bliss
       (...) It's a brand-new process for TLC, and they discovered a problem. That's not a big surprise with something like this, for all the reasons you point out. I'm *encouraged* that they discovered the problem, and took proactive steps to deal with (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
     
          Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Paul Sinasohn
      I got an email this morning from them warning me that one of my mosaics had been packed wrong. Here's the text: ---...--- Dear LEGO® Shop at Home Customer, Due to a technical problem, your LEGO Mosaic set was shipped with an incomplete assortment of (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Eric Brok
     I ordered my Mosaic from the Netherlands (shipped from Denmark) and even before I received it, I got an email saying they made an error and will ship the extra parts I will be needing. Eric (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Paul Sinasohn
     (...) My extra parts arrived today, before the mosaics themselves arrived! Paul Sinasohn (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Mosaic: ongoing problems —Andrew Lipson
      (...) My extra parts arrived today, too. Unfortunately I am _still_ a bag of #3 short. (It looks as though the software glitch shifting the picture up one line may have cost just enough #3 pixels from my carefully constructed picture to make the (...) (24 years ago, 14-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Re: Mosaic: ongoing problems —Andrew Lipson
      (...) They have now called me back and tell me that the extra parts will be shipped tomorrow. It wasn't clear whether I will get the extra bag of #3 that I had calculated my pixel counts for, or whether I will get just enough 1x1 plates of #3 to (...) (24 years ago, 15-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
    
         Mosaic: ongoing problems resolved —Andrew Lipson
      (...) The extra parts arrived this morning - a full pack of #3. Kudos to Lego for sorting this out quickly - both the correction packet and the 'correction-correction' packet were sent UPS next day air. Andrew (24 years ago, 17-Nov-00, to lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade, lugnet.lego.direct)
   
        Sample Mosaic Picture (was: How to maximize 90-piece bags?) —Andrew Lipson
     (...) I have placed a 44x44 picture of myself in GIF format at (URL) what I can only describe as a remarkable coincidence (:-)), this self-portrait appears to use exactly 369 pixels each of Black, DGray, LGray and White, and 460 pixels of MGray (I (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: Lego Mosaic Customer Service call —Andy Lynch
     Jake, I just wanted to take a moment to say two things to you: 1. Congratulations on your new position with Lego Direct. :-) 2. I hope that we continue to hear from you regarding our questions in such a timely fashion. It is nice to be hearing (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jake Rentar
   (...) Actually, subtract ($9.99 + $2.95 shipping = $12.94) the X-large baseplate, and (7.99 + $2.95 shipping = $10.94) the 100 pack of black slopes and a ($1.69 + $2.95 shipping) brick separator from the ($29.99 + $4.95 shipping = $39.94) Mosaic (...) (22 years ago, 1-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jake Rentar
   (...) Wow, I screwed up a little on typos. The Mosaic comes to 34.94, not 39.94. Also, the brick separator is 4.64 total, I forgot to include that. Amazingly, my math was still correct! (22 years ago, 1-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Frank Filz
   (...) Some quibbles with your math: - Your math assumes no shipping cost for the hypothetical 1x1 plate packs - If you factor shipping into the cost, you should assume all individual items are purchased at once - I wonder how many brick separators (...) (22 years ago, 2-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
   
        Re: How to maximize 90-piece bags? —Jake Rentar
   (...) Ah, yes -- thank you very much Frank! So now...assuming all the "accesories" besides the 1x1's are purchased together, and the hypothetical 1x1 plate pack is purchased with shipping costs, and there are no other variables I left out, we should (...) (22 years ago, 3-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.geek)
 

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