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Re: Question for Gary Istok
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Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:05:18 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Eric Strand wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Gerhard R. Istok wrote:
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> > The USA appears to have been used as a test ground for new products... such as
> > Jumbo/Pre-School bricks. These Jumbo bricks were not sold elsewhere. Even
> > though they were sold in the USA until 1972, the real Duplo brick was introduced
> > in continental Europe in 1969. By 1975 the real Duplo brick was sold
> > everywhere. And as we know, the real Duplo bricks are compatible with all Lego
> > bricks, unlike the Jumbo bricks.
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> > Even though Duplo was sold in the USA from 1973 onward, it was still called
> > "Pre-School" until 1979. In the 1979 USA catalog they announce a new name for
> > the pre-school bricks.... Duplo. The Duplo name however was used elsewhere
> > since the beginning of production in 1969.
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> > Gary Istok
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> Gary,
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> There is a slight chance that these jumbo bricks made it into the Europe market
> for a short time. There is also a chance these are just prototypes and were
> never sold.
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> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=902936>
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> The 501 shown here (in the LEGO Billund archive) is in a Europe style box. The
> black and white "5 people" logo was never used in the USA. This box may have
> been a prototype since the word "system" has been taped over in the logo.
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> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=902940>
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> Note that these are shrinkwrapped and seem to be the production version.
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> Here is the 503 in a Europe style box:
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> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=902942>
> <http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=902941>
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> I have speculated before that this may be an example where Samsonite bricks were
> EXPORTED to Europe.
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> The LUGNET set entries should not be under the Samsonite category. 501 and 503
> were not Samsonite USA sets.
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> Eric
OK, to add to the confusion is the fact that NO catalogs show the #501, #502 or
#503 sets. Jan K.'s Billund Vault pictures (which I hadn't seen) sorta takes
some of that mystery away.
Duplo sales started in 1969 in Europe. These sets would have to have predated
the Duplo sets. One reason is the set number.
These sets are either prototype only sets, or (as TLG has done before) these
were test sets that were released in a limited geographic area, perhaps only
Denmark? The reason that they date before 1969 is because of the numbering
system. These sets:
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European Lego Pre-School/Jumbo Sets - 1967-68.
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Set Set Year Element
# Description Introduced Count
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#501 Pre-School Pull Toy Set 1967-68 9
#502 Pre-School Medium Set 1967-68 8
#503 Pre-School Large Set 1967-68 16
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And the REAL Duplo sets that came out in 1969 had numbers:
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1969-79 Lego Duplo/Pre-School Sets - Numbering System
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Lego EU/UK/AUS/CAN USA
Set
Description Set # Year Set # Year
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Building Set #510 1969 ---- ----
Building Set #511 1969 ---- ----
4 Wheel Trolley/Brick Set #512 1970 #010 1973
8 Wheel Trolley/Brick Set #513 1970 #030 1973
Building Set with Arches #514 1972 #020 1973
Trolley/Arches Building Set #515 1973 ---- ----
2x2 & 2x4 Brick Set #516 1975 ---- ----
Building Set with Arches #517 1975 ---- ----
Small Building Set ---- ---- #074 1976
Trolley Building Set #518 1975 #075 1975
Trolley/Arches Building Set #519 1975 ---- ----
2 Trolley Building Set #520 1975 #077 1975
Large Building Set #521 1975 #078 1975
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The #501-#503 sets were discontinued (or never produced in mass) before the
#510-#521 early Duplo sets were produced starting in 1969. The sets sold in USA
still said "Pre-School" on the box, even though they were no longer the old
style bricks sold in USA from 1964-72.
Also, I believe that all molds for all Lego/Pre-School/Duplo elements originated
from Billund.
Gary Istok
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| (...) Gary, One other item - the 501 must date from after late 1966/1967. See the 042 in the USA 1967 dealer catalog. Same box art, etc... (URL) (19 years ago, 20-Nov-05, to lugnet.general)
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| (...) Gary, There is a slight chance that these jumbo bricks made it into the Europe market for a short time. There is also a chance these are just prototypes and were never sold. (URL) The 501 shown here (in the LEGO Billund archive) is in a Europe (...) (19 years ago, 17-Nov-05, to lugnet.general)
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