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More on critiquing, was Re: Dragonstar!
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Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:17:06 GMT
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now that this is boiling down somewhat, I'd like to offer this: We just
went through this is .mecha I offered some helpful tips on critique here:
http://news.lugnet.com/build/mecha/?n=8293
I forgot something in it though, I didn't discuss the one being critiqued.
We have to realize that when one discusses our work we need to step back.
And listen to what they say. If they go off on some strange angle and
didn't even see or understand what it was we did, then that is noteworthy.
Before reacting to it, we must think and ask ourselves, why? If the
message/vision didn't get across, it's hardly the fault of the critiquer.
Also, developing the space in ourselves that allows anyone to say anything
about our creations (even the bad stuff) really helps get feedback on a
bigger level. It's very understandable why lurkers lurk when they see the
hassle that they ~may~ encounter when they say what they see.
Quick question, is anyone getting anything out of this? Should I do a full
blown post on how to critique, or do you generally think I'm full of it?
Ok, enough from the English professor.
Build on Gang
Snow Daddy
Mark Neumann
In lugnet.space, Daniel Jassim writes:
> Hey Joel,
>
> I appreciate your post and your take on what was said or implied, and so
> forth. I feel bad that you felt you had to “defend” Jon. That implies that
> I’m on the offensive when I’m just trying to respond to comments that I
> didn’t really find that constructive, in my opinion. And really, it’s up to
> Jon to speak up if I’m taking things the wrong way. I mean, assuming the
> criticism is genuinely constructive, then I'm cool. Honest! I welcome
> suggestions that I can work with.
>
> (Rant Switch Activated!)
> But Jon’s “you can do better” doesn’t exactly help me or motivate me. I
> happen to know that I worked very hard on this model, passing up quality
> time with the family these past few weekends so I could have a new MOC I
> could proudly display at Brickswest. I don’t mind someone suggesting I can
> do better but if I feel I gave my best already, what more can I do? And
> Mark’s follow up to Jon’s post saying that I need to “build different”
> didn’t exactly address anything I could improve on this model. He’s just
> saying he wants to see me build something “different,” whatever that may be.
> Seemed more like a statement of disappointment.
>
> In fact, the general vibe I got from them is that this MOC is the same old
> thing, not all that impressive and/or rather disappointing. But that’s no
> big deal, REALLY. I respect the neophyte in everyone. But I find it
> interesting to wonder about what the response would be had I never built my
> previous cap ships and this exact ship was my very first…you get the idea?
> So is it the model or is it Dan Jassim? I guess my earlier stuff set the bar
> for me and I think they’ve come to expect more. Oh well.
>
> Regarding the rest of the Jon’s post about scale and so forth, yeah, I’m a
> bit annoyed but I’ll live. It just seems that my creation and post has been
> turned into a springboard for his cause, concern or lament (not sure what to
> call it). I can’t say if it was intended, but Jon put the spotlight on me
> and punctuated his own personal dislikes regarding scaling and building
> style. I don’t think anyone, Jon or otherwise, should be applying their
> standards and measures to someone else's creations. I don't find that to be
> constructive. More like pretentious, in my opinion and I think we spaceheads
> should be above that. Regardless of how talented or creative someone may be,
> nobody in this group, NOBODY, is the end-all authority on anything…at least
> not the last time I checked. (Rant Off)
>
> I apologize in advance if I’ve pissed anyone off.
>
> Space!
>
> Dan
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| (...) my 2 cents on the way here (-paul) 1) despite any criticisms, we really gotta admit that it takes a lot of time and effort and thought to even do something as "simple" as putting a fat yellow line around a really big box. Dan deserves much (...) (22 years ago, 14-Feb-03, to lugnet.space, lugnet.general)
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| Hey Joel, I appreciate your post and your take on what was said or implied, and so forth. I feel bad that you felt you had to “defend” Jon. That implies that I’m on the offensive when I’m just trying to respond to comments that I didn’t really find (...) (22 years ago, 13-Feb-03, to lugnet.space)
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