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| | | Without commenting on whether god had anything to do with this or not... (...) This particular one is noteworthy... you can see gods hand in it if you like, it is said he moves in mysterious ways, but the reason these towers didn't collapse right (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Chris Leach
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| | | | | (...) Designed my great architects,engineers(many who are AFOL's) and BUILT by skilled tradesmen/women. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Thomas (T. J.) Avery
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| | | | | (...) It is amazing that the towers didn't collapse right away, and things could have certainly been much worse. As an engineer, I'll be interested in future reports that will discuss modes of failure. Typically, building design adheres strictly to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I acknowledge this is a morbid line to go down, but.. I'm fairly sure that if the planes had had dry tanks instead of full transcontinental loads of Jet-A, the towers would still be standing... the impacts didn't do enough damage to cause the (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | (...) That was the goal of the 1993 bombers, who hadn't thought things through nearly so completely. (...) I can't recall if it's cnn.com or cbs.com, but they interviewed five or six members of the design team who are still alive (the prime (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Rob Doucette
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| | | | | (...) Also, what would have been the outcome had the terrorists targeted the base of the buildings? Had the collisions occurred in the lower 20 floors, most folks would have been trapped inside, and toppling may have occurred. (...) Indeed. -Rob. (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) It would be *extremely* difficult to crash a 767 travelling at 500km/h at the lower 20 floors of any building in such a city. That is possibly part of the reason they chose the WTC towers - they were so much higher than surrounding buildings. (...) (23 years ago, 19-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Sorry, just saw this, can't say my attention was focused on LUGNET last week... The architect of the twin towers was Minoru Yamasaki. You can read more about him and the Twin Towers here... (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) week... (...) Someone on a local Australian show last night brought up the notion that US buildings (including WTC) using more steel[1] may have been a factor in the collapse. I figure things got pretty hot there for a little while, so (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer —Chris Leach
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| | | | | | (...) ROSCO more concrete would have not made a difference.The building withstood the impacts.The fuel melted both the steel and concrete at the point of impact which caused the floors weight above them to collapse the rest of the structure. Mafia? (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Building speculation (was: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer) —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) concrete (...) The suggestion was not that the concrete would've survived the fire, but less of the building would've been directly involved in the fire, and maybe that little bit extra surviving support may have stopped the catastrophic (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Building speculation (was: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) I'd say they're all wet. A building of that form factor and height HAD to be at least as much steel as it was. Increasing the concrete ratio would mean the building would not be able to hold up its own weight. This general theory has been (...) (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Info about the towers and their architect —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Indeed. They made me cry again. I've been crying a lot lately. Thanks for that excellent reference, Eric. (23 years ago, 20-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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