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(...) Muwahahh..:-) I knew that Gary would jump on this..:-) You make a lugnet search for "junior 717" everyday, don't you?..:-) Selçuk (25 years ago, 7-Apr-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It's impossible. If we are talking about the 60's, only possible way to make this thing printed is huge offset printing machinery, which for sure owned by some other company that works for TLC, not the TLC itself. That is still true, paper (...) (25 years ago, 8-Apr-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Well done work, but it's not April the first today.... I think this could be a faked instruction: - to much plates used - not to find in any old catalogue - where's the battery box? - the exhaust falls off to easy - to nice to be true - take a (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) ++Lar (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hi ++Lar, to be honest, the doubt on the 371 plan was first uttered by Arne Hackstein, one of the most profund experts on all kind of old Lego® sets. Whenever I have a really tricky problem, he's the one to solve it. Regards, Ben (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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After I saw the rest of the building instruction, I'm totally doubting. I never saw a so badly drawn building instruction! Compare the wheels in the steps three and four. (URL) really like drawn by hand. But that's a fact which makes me believe in (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Doesn't look like a fake to me... but a MUCH better job of faking than I've ever seen if it IS a fake... There are too many little details that'd need to be faked to make this worthwhile... (...) Well, I have 332 (Tow Truck) which also had a (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) no (...) motor (...) I would have to side on the belief that this is a fake for a couple of reasons. After looking at 60's and early 70's instructions on brickshelf I would say that the poor quality of these instructions is a dead giveaway. I (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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I'd have to agree that this is a fake. My reasons: 1) Instructions are too crude, even by 60's standards. Also, have a look at the following URL...it's supposed to be another page from the same booklet but the quality is many times greater! (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yes, because that's a set sold in whole europe (probably made in Denmark), while set 371 might be UK only... I know thats a weak argument. (...) Have you notices the 3studs over edge plate in step one? In the next step thatt might be a (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) on (...) yet to believe it is fake. I just put it up at (URL) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) the drawings there look a LOT better quality than this one, but as for this, well, that exact image is from another catalog, just re-used in this one. Actually, I think you can find nearly the same image elsewhere on brickshelf, as was done (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) A friend of mine is now really sure, this set has to be faked: he found a set, which has exactely that name "motorized truck set" of yours and uses the same last 4 pictures, but it has the number 310. If you want to take a look at his set 310, (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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It is possible that two other things are happening here. 1) The images shown are from a prototype catalog that an old designer kept in his or her collection. Some type of mock up. 2) This is an authentic forgery from another company. Similar to that (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) picture. I still think it's real KL (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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For those of you in the general public, I posted all 8 pages of the instructions on: (URL) for the hideous page colors... It was left over from an early web design attempt. (...) To be honest, it isn't a fake. Unless some one created fake (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) on (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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Oops....new computer at work - clicked too soon...sorry about the blank message... Bricksmiths, do you accept outside nominations? Get Ben in REALLY FAST. I want that 4479 train car set and the 4460 engine.... PLEASE??? :-) Paul Sinasohn (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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Maybe I'm missing something really basic here, but I'm certain that the 2x2 "L" shaped plates used in the fender assembly shown in step one were not even available until the late 80's. The 1x3 plates were also not available in this era, and were (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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I whole heartedly agree with Mark's take on this scam - I mean scan. Neither of the pieces mentioned were availble at this time. And, based on a previous comment, this is not even a sixties era real truck design. I can't say I believe the original (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) While I can't say much about real trucks, it seems that all the early (grey-tire) trucks had a stack of black and clear 1x2 plates for a grille, with a red 2x3-4knob-with-hole rounded plate for string attachment sticking out. At some point (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) era (...) Hi Jason, I'm just a half expert on old sets, since I'm too young for those really old sets out of the 60ies, and I live in Europe, so I have kno knowledge on Samsonite era. But as far as I know I have never seen a red 6x1x1 brick (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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Michael Huffman wrote in message <392322B2.59C6C064@m...ng.com>... (...) Yes, I agree, my feeling is that this is a Samsonite set, or at least a US-only set. I'm no expert on old sets, but isn't putting a descriptive name in _English_ on the (...) (25 years ago, 18-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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Jason Proksch <jasonpro@netscape.net> wrote in message news:Furq7M.157@lugnet.com... (...) 60's era (...) 100% (...) (Besides, (...) You're _not_ the first person to mention this brick. It wasn't listed for any sets. #335 used a red 1x4... I'll (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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I never previously doubted, nor do I now doubt that you actually have the instructions in your possession. What I do doubt is that they are instructions from any actual Lego set. These are either created (somewhat poorly) by a fan, as an internal (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Regardless of whether this set is fake or real, I would have to say that this is the most valuable instructions you got on ebay, in that it's kept a good controversy going here for several days. Hold on to that puppy. If it can keep us (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) After looking at the pics and scans, this is my opinion as well. This looks very much like a comp or a design that is still undergoing revision. Chris Busse (URL) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I am by no means an expert on classic sets, but I work with a team of graphic designers who are experts when it comes to printing and the design process. I could have them look at it and they would be able to determine what type of process, (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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"Michael Huffman" <mhuffman@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:392592E1.D493EE...ing.com... (...) No need for an apology, I too meant no offense nor hostility. I was just making my stance clear, that's all :) (...) Which suggests that maybe they (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Reinhard \"Ben\" Beneke wrote: (...) I was going to post something yesterday, but got very busy with work... That and I read Jason's posting about wanting more scans. Well here they are: (URL) 1-4 show the instructions on my sorting table. (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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I just wanted to thank Michael Huffman for this scan. I mean that sincerely too. This has been very exciting. I never posted to this web site before, but this was the catalyst for my participation. I am still a bit confused, but must admit those (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I tried to find some pictures on the web of trucks from the era. I didn't have a ton of luck, but the following page has a few: (URL) 1953 Mack most of the way down the page drew my eye--except for the shorter nose, it bears a decent (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Sorry. No offence/hostility intended. (...) They are printed, with the same 'feel' as the 331/332/333 instructions. They don't feel like they were printed out on a color printer on glossy paper -- say at Kinko's or something -- they're very (...) (25 years ago, 19-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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Jason Proksch wrote: <major snippage> (...) Did someone say "Junior Constructor"? Set 717..... from 1961-64. Is that the one you are talking about Jason (by the way, glad you decided to "de-lurk"). If so, are you talking about the earlier gabled (...) (25 years ago, 22-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Heck no, I just go home and get out the box, open it up, and smell the Cellulose Acetate bricks.... a much nicer aroma than ABS ever had. Actually I have the model house built. I have the 1963-64 version, which is of a flat roofed modern (...) (25 years ago, 23-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) My set is the flat roofed one. I know very little about it but got it on ebay last year pretty cheap $20-30. I only have the instructions on the box (I would assume that is the only instructions included) Do you mean to say this is the very (...) (25 years ago, 24-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Jason, OK, yes the 4 pictures on the inside lid of the box are the only building instructions that were included in this set. I first got it as a kid, and within 6 months my mother threw away the box (I still have the original contents mixed (...) (25 years ago, 25-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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