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| | | (...) You gotta be kidding me! Wow. Are there any scans of this up anywhere? I don't think our copy of that issue has arrived yet... --Todd (25 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Thomas P. Rafert
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| | | | | Scanning right now, give me a bit and I'll put it up at brickshelf. Tom (...) -- Thomas's & Kristin's Home Page (URL) Member (URL) (25 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Thomas P. Rafert
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| | | | | Here you go. Quality isn't the greatest but you can read it. (...) -- Thomas's & Kristin's Home Page (URL) Member (URL) (25 years ago, 13-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Do you see anywhere in any fine print on that page or any other page noting that LUGNET and the LUGNET logo are trademarks of LUGNET and/or its owners? --Todd (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) AWAKIANALBASOTI [1], but I think that this use is a) within fair use and b) cool and fun. It's not really a mention -- rather, a little reference in the background. Those of us who know what it is will think it's cool, and those who don't will (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) IHTAOTLAILMUNAOTF [1], I think its cool, but there is a minor concern on the asking Todd first deal. If they put some fine print in it would be better too. I wish they would boldy come out and promote Lugnet though... It'll get there in time, (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Thomas P. Rafert
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| | | | | | | | (...) Your welcome Todd. I was surprised I was the first to mention it, I normally get mine after everyone else. I saw Larry answered you questions about the trademarks issue. Same observations here, even with a magnifying glass, nope nothing. Tom (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: May-June 2000 Mania Magazine —Erin Windross
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| | | | | | (...) Hmmm.... what about the poster on the wall? And the logo of the T on the skateboard? That poster looks to real to be just a comic one.....(Even though it''s pretty blurry) can anyone read what it says? Erin -- (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | This is incredible! —David Simmons
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| | | | Okay, so they didn't mention the URL or anything, but this is a HUGE leap of recognition by TLG of the adult market since they would allow placement of Lugnet's logo in a Magazine that receives such massive distribution. Not only that, but the fact (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) How exactly will it make any difference (assuming some kid puts the image and word on the computer together with a place they can get info) if some kid asks his Dad "hey, what is LUGNET" and his Dad answers, "I dunno." ? Without the URL this (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Jeff Stembel
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| | | | | | | (...) And people who *do* happen to find it may very well think something like "Hey, cool! Lego created a website where I can talk to other fans!" And that would be bad... Jeff (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Man, even worse than I had pictured when I wrote that. This sucks. (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | (...) 1) not very likely considering the prominent disclaimer on the LUGnet page. 2) certainly not something Lego wants. (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —John Rudy
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| | | | | | | | (...) like "Hey, (...) would (...) And certainly not something Todd or any of us want. Think about it, lugnet by TLG, with flash and stupid animations. It sends shivers down my spine! Yick! -John Rudy (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | (...) This is making me sick. Lego went out of their way to give us a little smile when we opened up our mania magazine and we show our respect by doing nothing but criticizing them for the past 24 hours! They put that logo in the mag because they (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.general) !
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I've got just one comment here: A trademark owner is obligated to pursue situations like this or they could lose their trademark. That perhaps doesn't justify the discussion which is going on here, but that's beside the point. Note also that (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, aside from the fact that you're fantasizing about the motivation or intent behind the placement of the LUGNET logo... Trademarks are a serious thing. If you don't vigorously protect your trademarks you risk losing them. Just because you (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) in (...) This is a good point. These days, within society as a whole, people are too concerned about staying within the law (often just within the law). I think one can be inside the law - but still be morally wrong. If "thinking people", as (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Agreed! I was wondering, though; does the Mania magazine have anything like a general Trademark disclaimer? I've read other magazines that say something like "individual trademarks are held by their respective owners, and their mention here (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Matthew Teets
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I haven't seen one, but I don't think anyone would have recognized as needing a trademark or I don't think it would have appeared at all. I'm pretty sure most people at Lego didn't make the connection at all or even know our existence. I think (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) in (...) Thats right. They did ignore the online LEGO community for a very long time, but now thet are not. I good example of this is the fact that the LUGNET logo is in the Mania Magazine. (...) Yes that is the progress I am talking about. (...) (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I guess if that's all it takes (for you) to have them make up for years of blowing us off, you must be pretty happy. (...) Does it? Exactly who in TLC/TLG contacted you to explain the purpose behind having that there. I gotta tell you, I'm (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Rich Manzo
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) No, but I think it is a step in the right direction. (...) That is right I do not know. Neither do you. Lets wait and see what TLC's response is. (...) Well, I do care what the groups opinion is. It does not mean that Todd or Suz must accept (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Why? What does it matter what our opinion on this is? It's only tangentially related to the day to day operation of LUGNET, so let it go. ++Lar (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Rose Regner
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| | | | | | | | | Rich Manzo wrote in message ... (...) It is rather a fun thing that they did, however, would Lego be so understanding? They put that logo in the (...) LUGNET. (...) Try using Lego logo without permission and see how far these feel good arguments (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Making magazines (was Re: This is incredible!) —Suzanne D. Rich
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry for the heavy editing, but I just want to address these parts of your post. You make these statements with such certainty that I would expect you to have actually been in their art dept. when decisions were made. I'd love to discover (...) (25 years ago, 16-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish) !
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Making magazines (was Re: This is incredible!) —Matthew Miller
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Y'know, this sounds most reasonable to me. Funny that only a few months ago it would have been cool that _anyone_ in Lego acknowledged the existence of LUGnet; now, having actual official recognition in the form of Mr. Justus, the exact same (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Making magazines (was Re: This is incredible!) —Gary R. Istok
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| | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the insight Suzanne! Perhaps we should look at it this way. Lower level LEGO employees are more hip about the LEGO community than mid-level management. Perhaps this is a wink to us from the LEGO rank and file that got past the (...) (25 years ago, 17-May-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.publish)
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| | | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) A lot. --Todd (25 years ago, 15-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | Re: This is incredible! —John Neal
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| | | | (...) Yeah, but the same breath I share Todd's and other's concerns about the flippant use of Todd's property. For a company that is *so* protective about its own logo and trade dress, there seems to be a kind of "do as I say, not as I do" (...) (25 years ago, 14-May-00, to lugnet.general)
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