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Problems with set 10124 Wright Flyer
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Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:32:18 GMT
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Hello,

I purchased set 10124 and assembled it over the weekend. Like some of the other comments I read here on lugnet, I found the model to be very flimsy and difficult to assemble.

My main problem was with the wings. It was like the large tile-plates (this piece) that made up the wings just did not want to stick together. As I assembled the wings they also wanted to take on a significant droop. If I tried to flatten the droop out, the wings would basically disintegrate. When I tried to mate the lower wing section to the “wooden” frame the wing just would not stick to the frame. What I found was that the brown 2x16 plate on the rear portion of the frame did now want to stick to the tan 6x16 tile-plate that made up the rear portion of the wing center section.

After examining the parts more closely I found that the large tan “6x16 tiles with studs on edges” are flawed. They are ~1 mm longer than the brown 2x16 plates! Further more the when you fix the one end of the 6x16 tile and the 2x16 plate together the studs are misaligned at the other end! I compared these pieces against a 20yr-old 1x16 techic beam from my collection the 2x16 plate matched the beam but the 6x16 tile was visibly longer.

When you try to mate the 2x16 plate on top/bottom of the 6x16 tile a significant curvature is introduced. If the 2x16 plate (shorter) is on top of the 6x16 tile (longer) the assembly takes on an upward curvature as the pieces flex to get the studs/tubes to line up. If the plate is on the bottom, a downward curvature is produced. This would seem to explain the droop observed in the wing assemblies. Further more, it also explains why the 2x16 plate would not stick to the bottom of the wing since other elements in the wing assembly would not allow the tile to take on the necessary curvature to mate up with the 2x16 plate.

I took some pictures that hopefully demonstrate the problems with the 6x16 tile.

photo1 shows the setup I used. I used a technic 1x16 beam to align both the 6x16 tile and the 2x16 plate. Though the picture is a little dark, the uneven-ness of the top edge is apparent as well as the miss alignment of the studs.

In photo2 I added an orange 1x4 plate on the 3rd stud from the top to the assembly to emphasize the mis-alignment of the studs on both pieces.

photo3 is a close up of the top edge. The difference in length and stud alignment problems should be clearly visible.

And finally, photo4 shows the amount of curvature that is a result of the two pieces flexing to line up the studs when the plate is attached to the top of the tile.

Since I’m not a plastics moulding expert, I have no idea what would cause such a phenomenon. I checked every 6x16 tile in the set and they all exhibit the same problem though. I should also note that all the 6x16 tiles seemed to be slightly warped when I took them out of their plastic bags. I hope that this is the result of some sort of process anomaly like where the pieces hadn’t fully cooled/hardend when ejected from the mold and somehow stretched a bit and weren’t caught by quality control.

I don’t remember having this problem with the 6x16 plates from my sopwith cammel set or the red baron set but then again, their wing strutures are different so may not be as sensitive to this problem. I would have to tear those models down to check the parts though. I sincerly hope that this is not a problem with the mold itself (or worse yet, the process used to design the molds). Any comment from Lego on this would be appreciated. When they get this problem fixed it would be nice if they would offer a new set of 6x16 tiles for the wright flyer (I belive there are a total of 14 in the set).

Anyways, I replaced the rear 2x16 plate on the frame with 2 2x4 plates and the wing was able to mate up much nicer (though with its inherent droop). I think the error with the tile is that each stud is a tiny bit off (that adds up over distance) so the 2x4 plates are able to mate up and the lower frame supports are able to flex a little to make up the difference. I also found that mating the lower wing to the frame first then buliding the “wooden” superstructure after the wing was mated to the lower frame made for a much easier build. I was able to assemble the rest of the model with this new understanding of the piece geometry in mind. The model is actually quite solid once you get it together, and the the wing-droop is probably more accurate to the original flyer. Another option would be to use normal 6x16 tan plates in the center section of the wing where it mates to the frame.

Other than the problems with the 6x16 tile, I am really impressed with this model. I think that the Lego version honors the orginal quite well. The only thing that I might add is a way for the control lever to acually actuate the rudder and try to make the forward elevator move as well. Being an aviation buff, I sincerly hope that Lego continues to produce large scale historical aircraft. Hopefully, Lego might someday be willing to produce a Spitfire/BF109 combo or F4U/Zero combo on a similar scale as part of their historical aircraft line.... even a Spirit of St. Louis model or Lockheed Vega of similar scale would be really cool.

Enjoy, drc



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  Re: Problems with set 10124 Wright Flyer
 
(...) FYI, the model is of an aircraft whose wings had significant droop. That may have been intentional. --Bill. (21 years ago, 11-Dec-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)

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