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Steve: (...) I _don't_ think CERTIFY should be dropped, but we might want to change it to "EXTENSIONS", since it is intended for listing which extensions to the LDraw language the file contains. (...) Yes. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: (...) (25 years ago, 13-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Did you mean you=Steve or you=anyone? (...) I agree, the sequence should be illegal. My point was, does CERTIFY BFC change the value of the internal local_clipping variable, or not? My intention was that it does not. From a practical (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'd like to hear from other people about this before deciding to keep it or drop it. I'll give my reasons to keep CERTIFY below. But first ... (...) Why not use: 0 CLIPPING (YES|NO) CLIPPING addresses the core issue (can the current file be (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) OK, I'll change this in the document. Changes from the last few days will be uploaded to GeoCities in the next hour or so. Steve (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve: (...) [...] (...) ...with the inversion status. (...) Yes. You might want to change "INVERT" to "INVERTNEXT". Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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[ Still discussing (URL) ] Steve: (...) [...] (...) "INVERTNEXT" is good. It makes the effect much more clear. (...) It gets much too messy when you mix the states of a parameter and the setting of that parameter. CERTIFY BFC does imply CLIPPING ON, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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I think we should drop the CERTIFY as it is superfluous and apparently adds more confusion than it clarifies! Why not settle for: 0 WINDING (CCW|CW|UNKNOWN) This defines the winding of the following polygons and means that the file is "certified", (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote... (...) But it *does* imply CLIPPING ON. Otherwise clipping would be off. Remember, CLIPPING ON cannot turn clipping on if turned off in a superfile. If you render the part alone (just to view the single part) the CERTIFY should (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I don't think I understand you here. Do you mean that it is strange to let the user and/or programmer of the rendering program set the initial CLIPPING value? [clipped nice rendering-process tree] (...) It's not too complicated. A rendering (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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See (URL) There is a serious weakness in this document, 'certification' is not clearly defined. This definitely needs to be addressed. Currently, the only definition of certification is: (...) ... which is a bit of a typo. My definition of certified (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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On Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:17 GMT, "Lars C. Hassing" <lch@ccieurope.com> wrote: Still discussing (URL) (...) Yes, but the 0 CERTIFY ( BFC | NOBFC ) format is more common. And it emphasizes that is one statement with various parameters. And it's less (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) In our case, it makes sense to make a single trip to the store for ingredients (primitives). Once we've got the ingredients on-hand, we can start baking the cakes. Steve No, this didn't really add to the discussion. I just liked the analogy. (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) ---...--- (...) Don't take this so personally, it's not worth it. I am only trying to contribute to a worthy cause (LEGO). Everyone can have different opinions. I don't need to jump on the other guys traught. Anyway, I apologise if I have (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Strange sentence, CLIPPING is OFF by default, you can change that by including a CLIPPING ON. And this was not what was beeing discussed. See below. (...) Look at this two trees root root C N / \ / \ C N C N /| |\ /| |\ C N C N C N C N 1 2 3 4 (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve: (...) Yes. (...) The argument against should be that it complicates the rendering significantly, but I don't think it does. Play well, Jacob ---...--- -- E-mail: sparre@cats.nbi.dk -- -- Web...: <URL:(URL) -- ---...--- (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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Steve Bliss wrote... (...) the (...) allow (...) OFF (...) they (...) reference (...) CLIPPING (...) Good point! (...) Or you could write: 0 CERTIFY BFC | 0 CERTIFY NOBFC 0 WINDING CW | 0 WINDING CCW | 0 WINDING UNKNOWN (I don't think "0 WINDING" (...) (25 years ago, 10-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) I'll make these changes. I think all your points have been discussed in follow-up messages, so I'll make my responses (if there are any) to those later messages. Steve (25 years ago, 9-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) As Jacob said, this is why the specification suggests that rendering programs allow the user to select the option of defaulting CLIPPING to on or off. (...) Huh? In that case, the uncertified primitive is not back-face-culled, but the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) Yes. WINDING UNKNOWN allows a DAT author to specify what is happening in the file more precisely than CLIPPING OFF. Adding WINDING DOUBLE-SIDED would allow even more author-precision, but there is no practical difference between DOUBLE-SIDED (...) (25 years ago, 9-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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(...) You'll pardon me if I use an abbreviated notation, and skip the " characters. (...) It's hard to argue with that. Steve (25 years ago, 9-Nov-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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