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| | | Because of some of the more recent advancements in software which utilizes the .dat file, I have been thinking about what LDraw *is*. I think we should firmly establish what LDraw is if there are going to [and there will] be more advancements in (...) (25 years ago, 8-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Adam Howard
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| | | | | Hi Tim! Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message news:4.2.0.58.199912...omm.com... (...) format. (...) include (...) their (...) LDraw is James' software package. It will always be that. It's like 3D Studio Max or Adobe Photoshop, they have (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | (...) Hi Adam! (...) Right. (...) We could keep the parts .dat and make new models .ldr (or .ldm - LDraw Model), or we could also change parts to .ldp (LDraw Part), just to distinguish the difference. (...) Yeah, I'd really like to see LDraw II come (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Adam Howard
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| | | | | | | Hi Tim! One other thing... You mentioned in another group about James' background and history. One thing I would like to see is a picture of him. Can you contact his family or put feelers out. I think that would be an excellent item to add to his (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | | I think that ldraw should refer to the ldraw program and the all the official parts then we refer to all the other tools as ldlite or mlcad or whatever I think we should keep the .dat extension for ldraw files -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I don't have contact with his family, but I believe James' old rivtron@... address still works. I would like to see a picture as well. If someone would like to give me his family's address, I will write. If someone else would like to write, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —John Matthews
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| | | | | LDraw is the original program that writes (one form of)* .dat files. All the other programs that write this type of .dat file are 'LDraw compatibles'. How's that? * i believe .dat is a fairly common extension used for lots of stuff. John Matthews (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | (...) Yes. (...) Try using terms like: LDraw -- a (mostly historical) software package for creating LEGO-type models on your computer. ldraw.org -- the group formerly known as the L-CAD mailing list. A (very) loosely organized group of people, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | (...) I see what you mean. ledit has encoded references to parts (the 2 x 4 brick springs to mind) that cant be changed. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | [restricted reply to lugnet.cad.dev] (...) And if you type in a part number, LEdit adds the .DAT to make the file number. Steve (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Does it really? I thought it all came from the parts.lst file and the program referenced that. Or...is it because that's what the program starts up with? -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll go to Heck, (...) (25 years ago, 9-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | [restricted reply to lugnet.cad.dev] (...) It's because LEdit supplies the .DAT when you type in a new part number. Parts.lst is only used to display the parts list when you press P<enter>. Similarly, we're stuck with leaving the ldraw directory (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | (...) Yes. (...) Personally, I think the term 'ldraw.org' refers to the actual website. The group of people could remain 'L-CAD' if desired, or 'The LDraw Organization,' or something completely different. On the site, I refer to ldraw.org as the (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Jonathan Wilson
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| | | | | | | (...) I could do a form and/or a cgi to go with it. I am an expert with cgi and html etc. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) That would be great! I'm not sure if Jacob would want someone else's CGI running on the server, why not ask him. Here's the correct link: (URL) you'd like, just work with the fields (I believe they're commented in the HTML source) and we'll (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | Tim Courtney wrote: <Good questions. Which I snipped.> In my opinion: A name is needed to identify the concept of "formated to be compatible with LDraw and LEdit, as extended". This name needs to be separate from the concept of "the LDraw suite of (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | [snipped other ng's from reply, although it was a toss-up between lcd and lcdol] (...) There are at least three different concepts to be differentiated-- "The Organization Formerly Known as L-CAD" "the LDraw suite of tools that JJ developed (as (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) LDraw Group? LDraw Organization? LDraw Foundation? (...) Hmmm, original software only, or original software including our updates? LDraw? LDraw Suite? LDraw Package? (...) Official ldraw.org Parts Updates. (...) LDraw Compatible (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I think he was being sarcastic. Project is probably installed on 4000 times as many PCs as all the LDraw compatible tools put together. If you do anything that has to be planned, you can't live without Project and there really isn't a good (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) Is that an educated guess of a figure? ;) (...) Yeah... .mpl (Multi-Part LDraw) ? (...) Agreed. (...) That would be a good thing. The only argument I see against changing them is tradition, to which I say, 'poo.' -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It's a SWAG. Probably exaggerated by one order of magnitude, on reflection... Fairly educated, though. Let's work the LDraw side... how many LDrawers do you think we have? I'll let you make that guess, you'd know better than I, but I'd be (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | | At 12:18 AM 12/12/1999 , Larry Pieniazek wrote: [...] Snippety-poo (...) Ok... I'd take a shot that there are maybe 1000-1500 LDraw users. There are a lot of hits to ldraw.org, average of about 70 pages/hr from a couple weeks ago. I don't have up to (...) (25 years ago, 12-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | (...) I'd prefer that the group and website both go by ldraw.org. When refering specifically to the people, it would be 'ldraw.org group'. For the webpages, it would be 'ldraw.org site'. (...) Which updates? The new mklist.exe? Fixed versions of (...) (25 years ago, 14-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) I would have to disagree here. I clearly see 'ldraw.org' as a website, since that's the name the website has been given. But the group of people is an organization, who uses the site as its central resource for LDraw materials. The (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Michael Horvath
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| | | | | | | It would be great if the parts request list could be moved to LDraw.org. It's kind of hard to find. I'm having trouble trying to locate it now. Those darn *.shtml files... (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | | (...) I'd like to see that happen too. But AFAIK I don't know of any reply from Zach Benz on the question. If he gives the OK, I'm all for it. Jacob would have to write something to make it run, I'm a dud when it comes to programming. -Tim (URL) (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Michael Horvath
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| | | | | | | | (...) It's (...) darn (...) Could you tell me the address of that site? I can't find it. Mike (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | (...) Right now, the website pretty much *is* the organization. We don't have a membership list, or a secret handshake, or even a definition of who's in the group. I'm alright with this loose organization, but I feel that there isn't a big point of (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | | | (...) Should it stay this way, or should we move towards a more structured organization? If so, what are the criteria for membership? Does the group need a leader(s), and if yes, what is the role(s) of the leader(s)? (...) But it (or the JJ (...) (25 years ago, 15-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev)
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| | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Tim Courtney
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| | | | (...) Correct. I like the phrase 'The LDraw System' identifying the original .dat format and the programs which use the 'System.' [1] (...) Obviously .dat files have become integrated with part files. I like .ldr or .ldm for 'LDraw Model.' .mpl for (...) (25 years ago, 10-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad, lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | Can we pick one newsgroup for this discussion? Please? (...) I don't see much of a need for this, other than saying programs can claim they are "LDraw Compatible". (...) Nah. Steve (25 years ago, 14-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad.dev, lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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| | | | | | Re: What is 'LDraw?' —Jeff Thompson
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| | | | (...) No. But using the phrase "The LDS" may require some troublesome context switching from anyone familiar with the Mormon church. Kidding ... I think. -- jthompson@esker.com "Float on a river, forever and ever, Emily" (25 years ago, 14-Dec-99, to lugnet.cad)
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