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Re: What is 'LDraw?'
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lugnet.cad.dev
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Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:42:58 GMT
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At 11:06 AM 12/15/1999 , Steve Bliss wrote:
> In lugnet.cad.dev, Tim Courtney wrote:
> > I would have to disagree here. I clearly see 'ldraw.org' as a website,
> > since that's the name the website has been given. But the group of people
> > is an organization, who uses the site as its central resource for LDraw
> > materials. The organization should have a separate name, because of the
> > ambiguity of calling it as well 'ldraw.org.' Adding 'group' and 'site' to
> > the end would add complexity to things. For example, every reference to
> > 'ldraw.org' on ldraw.org refers back to the site itself.
>
> Right now, the website pretty much *is* the organization. We don't have a
> membership list, or a secret handshake, or even a definition of who's in the
> group. I'm alright with this loose organization, but I feel that there
> isn't a big point of making a distinction between the group and the site.
Should it stay this way, or should we move towards a more structured
organization? If so, what are the criteria for membership? Does the group
need a leader(s), and if yes, what is the role(s) of the leader(s)?
> Besides, if the same name is used, normies (aka mundanes) will have a
> better shot at finding the site, if they know the group.
But it (or the JJ Memorial, which now redirects traffic to ldraw.org) is
widely linked to, and also referred to on Lugnet with its own group and such.
On the other hand, a search for 'ldraw' on Yahoo brings up many different
peoples' pages, including a subsection of the old JJ Memorial on
Geocities. I recall that I did submit the site to Yahoo, and I wonder if
that can be fixed...
I wonder...should the pages behind the splash on the old JJ Memorial be
deleted? For people who don't know, I put up a redirect page on the
Geocities site last night. Have a look.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2244/
> I was trying to cling to L-CAD for awhile, but no one else was using it. And
> lugnet.cad.dev doesn't seem right.
True. I like the nostalgia L-CAD has, but obviously not many others still
hold on to it. And this 'group' pretty much concerns LDraw or at least
LDraw DAT file format programs.
> So, Tim and I disagree. What do you other 'members' think?
Perhaps a small vote thingie on the site? Include 3 or 4 options and a
little explanation of the question...
> Check the title you've given Jacob. You say he's 'ldraw.org site
> administrator'. That's ambiguous. I read it as "administrator of the
> ldraw.org site".
Clearly that's what the title means, but for the sake of brevity and
non-mouthfullness its written like that.
> And I'm administering (administrating?) the parts updates for the
> *group*. It just happens that the updates are published on the site.
That really has no relevance towards your argument of calling the group
'ldraw.org.'
> > All updates, including the new parts we've written that have been included
> > in the official updates.
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> No, then just the original software. But my *intention* with this item, was
> that it was James' original package, plus software and parts-file fixes
> (but no new parts).
Ok. Agreed.
> New parts are in next bit ("part files...").
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> Orig package + new parts is something else.
Could the original package be 'LDraw' and the package + parts files be
'LDraw Suite' or 'LDraw Package?'
[Official ldraw.org Parts Updates]
> > Why you little... ;) I am actually referring to the site in this
> > name. The updates are officially sanctioned by the site, though they went
> > through the group for approval.
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> Nope, doesn't wash. The site has no will, it can't sanction anything. The
> *group* sanctions the updates. And the group publishes the updates on the
> site.
In this case, either one of two things:
1) They're sanctioned by the group to be *on* the site, therefore they
contain the site name.
2) To avoid this confusion, the name of the parts updates is changed to
something like 'Official LDraw Parts Updates.' ...but 'LDraw' refers to
the original software, *without* the new parts files.
-Tim
http://www.zacktron.com
http://www.ldraw.org
AIM: timcourtne
ICQ: 23951114
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