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"Jesse Alan Long" <kiraya_malzant@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I45MzA.1yKA@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.people, David Eaton wrote:
> > In lugnet.people, Saskia van Doesburg wrote:
> > > In lugnet.people, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > > I guess I personally am in the camp that doesn't see why people would • *want*
> > > > this group. Personally, it seems marginalising.
> > >
> > > I think Kevin has a very good point in his post:
> > > [quote]
> > > A group like this is useful for the same reason that LGBT concert • bands,
> > > choirs, softball teams, gardening clubs, book clubs, square dancing • groups,
> > > churches, RV'er and camping groups, swim teams, hockey teams, • motorcycle
> > > clubs, water poloclubs, wrestling clubs, (and many other sports teams • and
> > > clubs), AA groups, pilots associations, parents groups, students • groups, etc
> > > all exist: because we like to enjoy our interests among people who • understand
> > > us, *as well as* out in the wider community. Just as a simple thing, • it's
> > > relaxing not to have to wonder "when I refer to my SO as "he", what • will the
> > > reaction be?"
> > > [/quote]
> >
> > Or, really, why we even have things like LUGNET. About 10 years ago I • came out
> > of my dark age and had no way of finding like-minded individuals, until • I
> > eventually found RTL and LUGNET. The sea of "normal Non-Lego" people is
> > overwhelming. And originally there wasn't even a need for a ".space" or
> > ".castle" newsgroup on LUGNET because there was so little traffic about • such
> > things, and so few people in the community that you could pretty much • read
> > everything on LUGNET. Differentiating between "castle people" and "space • people"
> > was trivial because 1) you knew most everyone 2) there weren't that many • people
> > to know. But as the community has gotten larger, the need to establish • smaller
> > subdivisions arose. Now, if you're a space-head, you can zip right over • to
> > .space, etc.
> >
> > As I see it, being a gay fan is just another level of specification-- it • just
> > happens to be a specification that doesn't concern Lego per se. I expect • that
> > finding gay Lego fans is probably tricky (though admittedly I wouldn't • know), so
> > this would make things easier in that regard. And having a nice little • community
> > of people you can relate to is always nice to have.
> >
> > The only issue remaining being that since it's NOT a strictly • Lego-related
> > subdivision the way trains or technic or SNOT are, is it worthy of • having a
> > group? I'd say sure. I mean, if we wanted to start up a group called
> > lugnet.people.parents, I'm sure that would be welcomed with open arms, • even if
> > it's similarly not a Lego-related subdivision. Really since the entire
> > "lugnet.people" branch is intended to be about the *people* in the Lego
> > community, and not explicitly Lego-related, it seems to fit in just • fine. I say
> > if there's interest in such a group, go for it.
> >
> > DaveE
>
> First of all, if you plan on having such a group, do you not know that • LEGO HAS
> made pink as a color in the past? I would think that a homosexual group • would
> at least match the typical homosexual agenda on such a small issue like • that on
> here. Second, you are not gay because gay means happy. What you would be
> termed would be ranging from sexually confused to sexually deviant to even • being
> a sodomist. I did not make the terms up, people, I am just repeating what • God
> and others who followed Him have said about such a lifestyle. If you, • Suzanne,
> and you, Todd, and you, other LUGNET people, wish to give me the boot from
> LUGNET, then I will sue you for discrimination. I prefer to live in peace • with
> other human beings. As for allowing such a group on here, I would have to
> object to such a thing on numerous fronts. If anyone wants to consider me • a
> hatemonger for standing up to my faith in God Almighty, then they will • also have
> to meet Him one day just as these people will for what they have done in • life.
> It does not matter what your faith is because God trumps all other false
> religions and, as it was said in the past, "I am the way, the truth, and • the
> life, and that no person can come to the Father but through the way that • was
> made by me."
>
> With that being said, here are the reasons why such groups should NEVER be
> formed on here. The first reason is that such a group would promotes • agendas
> that might irritate other LUGNET users. I know for a fact that people who • call
> homosexual people hateful things will be banned so why not ban other forms • of
> hatred? This leads to the second reason why it should never be formed on • here.
> The second reason is that we do not have LUGNET users who have groups on • here
> that represent other ideologies or faiths or ethnicities on here, so why • should
> we treat you any differently than any other group on here? To those • people who
> do not know, LUGNET was created FOR people of ALL walks of life and as • such, no
> preference should EVER be made to such people on here, even to people like • me,
> or to people like the Lavendar Brick Society. The third reason is that it • is a
> form of hatred. Do we really need a white supremacist LUGNET group or a • Black
> Panther LUGNET group or a fundamentalist Islamic militant LUGNET group?
> Absolutely not, people! We have learned our lessons from the intolerance • of
> those people, so why should we promote this form of intolerance, people?
> Sometimes, homosexuality is also promoted along with racism. Such an • event
> happened in Norway. It also happened in Rome. The prime minster in • Norway and
> the one that he confided in were both killed due to their hatred in their • lives.
> The Norwegians tend to not approve of such things, so why should we, as • the
> community of LUGNET, be promoting hatred, intolerance, bigotry, sexism,
> discrimination, narrow mindedness, and other forms of evil? The fourth • reason
> is that I do not want to be the focus of unwarranted hatred and • intolerance for
> what I have faith in my life simply because I show respect and faith • towards the
> One who created the whole universe. If people hate me on here, then they • are
> the truly intolerant ones on LUGNET. The fifth reason is that • homosexuality is
> NOT a tolerant lifestyle. It is an immoral, hateful, bigoted, sexist,
> discriminatory, intolerant, deviant, and even racist lifestyle. No one • who
> lives the lifestyle and is confronted with these things and remains proud • of
> what they do in life will do so once they actually start to ask the • questions of
> the lifestyle. Often, the people who refuse to answer the well-meaning
> questions of the lifestyle are too arrogant to really answer such • questions in
> life because they would not want to lose their moral superiority or they • simply
> do not have an answer to those questions in life. Of course, if you want • a
> sermon, then maybe you SHOULD go to a church that does not approve of
> homosexuality as an "alternative lifestyle." We, meaning the true • Christians,
> do not hate you, rather, it is you who hate those who will not conform to • and
> accept, without any questions, your lifestyle and this would include me • and
> others who think like me in life.
>
> In short, LUGNET does NOT need to counteract or to contradict what has • been a
> peaceful and mutually true tolerance for ALL LUGNET users and LEGO fans. • So
> what if the company has policies that promote such a lifestyle? If the • founders
> of LEGO found that fact out, then they would be turning over in their • graves.
> From what little I know about them, I believe that they were truly moral • and
> right people in life and that they would NEVER allow such a thing in their
> company. Why become a hypocrite, LUGNET? It would only allow hypocrisy • to
> reign in LUGNET. I am a LEGO fan, you are a LEGO fan and what you do with • your
> lifestyle is your business but when you are on LUGNET, you are to NEVER • promote
> or to support hatred. This also goes to you, Todd, Suzanne, and anyone • else who
> would support them in their true hatred of me. If this is my last time on • here,
> then it will be the last time that anyone who makes sense to stand up for • what
> is right not only for LUGNET but for what is morally right in life to be • on
> here. The next time that you see me, I will be a headless LEGO Minifig • and my
> little yellow LEGO Minifig head will be in one of those little LEGO pots.
>
> Jesse Long
Is this your way of requesting a group for overly religious people? =)
/J
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