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Re: Official vs. unofficial LEGO postings
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Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:31:50 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, Todd Lehman writes:
> In lugnet.admin.nntp, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.admin.nntp, Eric Joslin writes:
> > > [...]
> > [...] Your whims count for nothing, except inasmuch as you have more
> > influence over Todd than some of the rest of us do due to geographical
> > proximity and friendship.
> >
> > This point seems to be lost on you.
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> Larry, what you wrote above to Eric is kind of insulting, and I think it's
> backwards. Eric and I happen to see eye-to-eye on a lot of things and it's
> one of the reasons that we're friends. We also happen to disagree on a lot
> of things, and I think that's good. Suzanne and I disagree on some things
> too, and that's also good. Other perspectives are good. At any rate, I
> think you may be looking at this backwards. Two people don't agree with one
> another because they're friends; they tend to become friends because they
> tend to agree with one another on things (and have common interests, etc.).
> If anything, Eric's "influence" in the past 24 hours has been extremely
> professional and comes from experience as a telco vendor manager. His
> insights have been extremely enlightening to me.
>
> --Todd
Two points:
1. I'm not particularly bothered if what I said to Eric comes off as kind of
insulting. He has a few "kind of" insults coming as he's been rather rude to
a number of people on this and other occasions.
2. Nevertheless, if you take that particular phrase as insulting, you're
reading it out of context.
Recall if you will, that I asked (as I *always* do when these sorts of
policy kerfluffles arise) that we get a definitive statement of policy on
this from yoiu that further discussion is not likely to change things. This
is an area that I feel you have been chronically weak in, making it crystal
clear when things are preference and when they are policy.
Eric jumped on that saying, in essence, that I was out of line suggesting
that we weren't getting anywhere and asking for clarity and that because you
had agreed with something he happened to say, that was the particular
definitive statement of policy. I differ with that viewpoint and I do not
see your agreeing with Eric as the same thing as saying explicitly "this is
policy" because it requires everyone to read multiple parts of a thread too
long to be successfully read with the web browser interface to gather what
the policy statement actually is.
That paragraph you reference (out of context) reiterates that. His whim, his
opinion, his desire is not policy here. Yours is. YOU need to say what goes
and you need to say it explicitly. That's your job and one you are good at
(when you choose to be) and one we all want you to do.
If you think it's *bad* to have a definitive explicit statement of what
policy is rather than dragging things out when they are not going to change,
and it's time to call an end to discussion, I am interested in why. As a
student of community building, it's very interesting to me indeed.
On the point of cause and effect between counsel and friendship, it's
irrelevant. NELUG members have your ear more than the rest of us because of
fellowship and proximity. That's not bad. It's just the way it is.
There is a reservoir of trust built up (because of previous (perceived as)
good advice) that exists between people. Most of mine is expended with you
and most of yours is expended with me. I'm advocating that people who have
that use it wisely with you. That's all.
Finally, you say that other perspectives are good. That's a good thing to
say... but (and it pains me to say this) I'm not sure you believe it in your
heart as much as I once thought you did.
++Lar
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| (...) Further unsolicited discussion is not going to change things. (Discussion was never invited in the first place.) Those who disagree are entitled to their opinions but should understand that it is impossible to please everyone. There are no (...) (23 years ago, 18-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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| (...) Larry, what you wrote above to Eric is kind of insulting, and I think it's backwards. Eric and I happen to see eye-to-eye on a lot of things and it's one of the reasons that we're friends. We also happen to disagree on a lot of things, and I (...) (23 years ago, 17-Mar-01, to lugnet.admin.nntp)
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