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Re: The Relationship - LEGO and its Fans (was: Re: Official vs. unofficial LEGO postings)
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lugnet.admin.nntp
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Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:37:50 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.nntp, John Hansen writes:
> In lugnet.admin.nntp, Eric Joslin writes:
> > In lugnet.admin.nntp, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > > So? That effects one, maybe two people. The benefits to the community make
> > > > for a much more convincing argument.
> > >
> > > Go ahead and make that argument. It hasn't been made.
> >
> > Yes, it has. Over and over again. But, as I don't think you've demonstrated a
> > terminal lack of ability to grasp a point yet either (although you are getting
> > close)...
> >
> > http://news.lugnet.com/lego/direct/?n=2201
>
> The referenced post does not "argue" the benefits to the community achieved
> by restricting Lego employees posting using their company email address to
> the .lego.* groups. It assumes it. It accepts it as factual without any
> argument whatsoever.
>
> Todd writes:
> "LUGNET discussion groups were founded for fans to talk to other fans. The
> LEGO Company isn't a fan -- it is a business, and its purpose in life is to
> sell products and make money. It doesn't talk like fans, it doesn't think
> like fans, and it isn't _part of_ the community it spawned, no matter how
> seductive it may be to believe that."
>
> This statement is not an argument. It assumes everyone agrees that
> employees of the Lego Company are not and cannot be considered "fans" if
> they post using their lego.com email address. The fact that Lego employees
> may have additional motives (above and beyond their "fan" motive) for
> posting messages is immaterial.
>
> Posts made by Lego employees using their lego.com email address should never
> be taken as anything more than an unofficial fan post unless they post in a
> .lego.* group. That would be consistent with normal newsgroup standards
> where posting with a company-provided email address has *never* suggested
> that the poster was making an official company statement.
>
> Just as Todd probably can and does post unofficially anywhere with any email
> address and officially in .admin.* (regardless of the email address he uses)
> so should Lego employees be allowed to post.
>
> > To sum up, LEGO involving itself in fan discussions in an official capacity
> > weakens the core reason Lugnet exists- for fans to talk to other fans.
>
> Lego is a company. The people who post with lego.com email addresses are
> employees. There is a difference between an employee and a company.
> Chances are Jake is not "sent" to post on Lugnet. Tomas almost certainly
> wasn't directed by Brad Justus (or anyone else) to "clean up the bionicle
> mask mess on Lugnet". They are (I believe) people who want to participate
> in a fan discussion and provide what they believe is useful input to that
> discussion.
>
> Since when does an email address change whether you officially represent a
> company or not? If Tomas posted via his home email he would say exactly the
> same things he said via his lego.com email address. It would be the same
> person typing the same words. And we require him to switch addresses
> because we only want "fans to talk to other fans"? He becomes a fan when he
> is willing to post via his home email address? That makes no sense
> whatsoever to me.
Yes! 100%! What John wrote above captures the essence of all of this
splendidly. A true voice of reason. I couldn't have said it better myself.
John gets it. Thank you, John! (And Frank Filz too, who also gets it
and has made many excellent points on this subject.)
++Lar (who could not resist plagarization in this particular case)
PS, I withdraw my motion to call the question.
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