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Re: Bye, bye LUGNET
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lugnet.admin.general
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Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:34:03 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> > In lugnet.general, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> > > In lugnet.general, Mark Jordan wrote: I'd prefer to
> > > > see a black and white list of offensive words which aren't acceptable on Lugnet.
> > > > That way people can easily avoid these ugly situations.
> > >
> > > By what standard do you create this list?
> >
> > This is exactly why Lugnet has not published a list of no-no words. But really,
> > is there anyone here who doesn't know that f**k is a bad word?
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> You missed the point of my post Lenny. I contend that not everyone thinks that
> the word you mentioned above is "bad" in every context. There shouldn't be a
> silver bullet policy that put you into "bad" territory just for writing a word.
As much as I dislike the condemnation of single words without context, given the
society in which we live, there are certain words to which this applies.
> In other words the standard should not be "everything you write will be taken in
> context except when you use this list of words in which case we will apply this
> zero tolerence policy" and should be "we take everything in context regardless
> of what words were used." It's been proven that so called "zero-tolerence"
> policies do more harm than good (have at look here: http://zerointelligence.net
> ).
>
> -Orion
Larry's email is not indicative of a zero-tolerance approach to the issue. On
the contary, if it was, Willy would have been suspended immeadiately and kept
suspended until he requested his post to be canceled. That is not what
happened, not by a long shot.
There is a difference between "zero tolerance" and "equitable application of the
rules" (as defined by the ToU). A few months ago some users were suspended for
a short period of time (like a day) for using society defined 'bad words.'
These users used the words in context of discussion about word usage (ie, '## is
an interesting word', rather than '## you jerk').
Basically, you shouldn't use f*** or s*** regardless. Everything else is about
the context (attitude/aggressiveness/etc) of the post. But then again, I think
this is all painfully obvious and why anyone would feel differently is beyond
me.
The Admins are intelligent, thoughtful people, who weigh very carefully the
choices we make and the actions we take. We will consider both use of
inappropriate words (curse words) and the inappropriate use of words
(aggressiveness/meanness).
-len
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