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In lugnet.trains, James Powell writes:
> Rick C. wrote:
> > Can't do it with prototypes either, I think. Not legally, anyway,... ;-)
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> (about doing flying passes)-yes, you can, but usually you run out of room
> to do it rather than anything else.
Modern US prototype railroading does this fairly regularly when in double
(or more) CTC controlled territory. You just have to complete the pass in
some reasonable time (every block usually has crossovers to let you get back
in your "lane")
Pennsy had a 4 track main through much of Pennsylvania so this was extremely
common.
> You can also do what is called a "sawbuck",
> which is when you have one train longer than the siding take the siding
> to pass the other train- weird to see, but easy enough to do.
I believe (with less certainty than the above) that this is very uncommon
these days but not unheard of...
> It's like poleing, which is NOT illegal,
> in spite of what some people think-it's just frowned on.
I'll take that action... I believe it's against the rules in most railroad
rulebooks which is the closest to illegal you can get. Since most switchers
no longer carry polehooks or poles, it's fairly moot. (I think a lot of
modern cars don't even *have* poling pockets but I could be wrong).
++Lar
> James
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Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message
news:G5s8B2.I2w@lugnet.com...
> In lugnet.trains, James Powell writes:
>
> > It's like poleing, which is NOT illegal,
> > in spite of what some people think-it's just frowned on.
>
> I'll take that action... I believe it's against the rules in most railroad
> rulebooks which is the closest to illegal you can get. Since most • switchers
> no longer carry polehooks or poles, it's fairly moot. (I think a lot of
> modern cars don't even *have* poling pockets but I could be wrong).
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is "poleing"?
Regards,
ROSCO
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On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 21:13:50 GMT, "Larry Pieniazek"
<lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote:
> In lugnet.trains, James Powell writes:
<snip>
> > It's like poleing, which is NOT illegal,
> > in spite of what some people think-it's just frowned on.
>
> I'll take that action... I believe it's against the rules in most railroad
> rulebooks which is the closest to illegal you can get. Since most switchers
> no longer carry polehooks or poles, it's fairly moot. (I think a lot of
> modern cars don't even *have* poling pockets but I could be wrong).
>
> ++Lar
>
> > James
I did a quick search of my NS rulebooks and I couldn't find anything
against poleing. Although I'm sure since we don't carry poles, and
like Larry said, most newer cars don't have the pockets, it really
dosen't matter. I'm sure if poleing isn't mentioned by name as being
illegal, you'd have to break other rules to accomplish it. Chains,
carried by most of our units, work pretty well to do the same thing
over a short distance BTW. Or so I've heard...
This subject came up at work awhile back, and out of the 5 or so
people in the discussion, most with over 30 years on the RR, only one
person had actually seen poleing done.
Jeff Christner
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In lugnet.trains, Ross Crawford writes:
> Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is "poleing"?
Mechanically, Poling (poleing?? I dunno the spelling) is a way to move a car
that is not on the same track as the locomotive. A large stout pole (15 feet
long or so??) is placed in the poling pocket of the switcher and diagonally
to the car on the adjacent track, and the switcher is moved forward slowly
till the pole engages the poling pocket of the car. Some crewman needs to
stand there till the pole is under compression. The loco can then move the
car by pushing.... carefully.
Operationally, poling is a way to achieve a runaround when you don't have a
double ended siding, because you can push the car onto the siding, then
reverse back onto the main, and approach from the other side with the pole.
It's also a way of shifting one car from one freight door to another without
upsetting all the cars at adjacent doors.
Poling is *very* dangerous. The pole has to be held in place till it's under
compression. It can slip out and since it's under compression, the crewman
getting clear can get dinged. The pole can shatter/splinter and impale a
crewman. (they put steel bands around the poles to prevent that but it
happened anyway sometimes)
Poles aren't quite the size of telephone poles, they're only 4-6 inches but
that's still a lot of mass.
Chains, were such to be used for shifting cars, (and I'm shocked, Shocked,
SHOCKED that Jeff knows about their use that way, round up the usual
suspects) carry similar hazards but not as bad since they are under tension
instead of compression.
++Lar
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